Doe picks on one buck but not the other?

TigerLilly

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Here's my situation with my Nigerian Dwarf 'herd':
I bought Buckley and had him home first. He was born in May 2010.
Brought Maddie (5 yr old doe) home the same day, but after Buckley.
Couple of weeks later I bring home Tiny Tim, born April 2010; he was bought from the same farm as Maddie and had previously been in the same pasture.
Being that Maddie was older, and 'possibly' pregnant, I expected her to be a little 'butt-head' with Buckley until they got used to each other. I was right. They get along fine now.
Maddie and Timmy, however, are NOT getting along. She will charge him any time he gets within 6 feet of her. Sometimes she will even just look up, see him and charge. It has been at least a month since Timmy has been here. Since they previously lived together, I don't understand why she treats him this way! She is perfectly fine with Buckley. Oh, she hates my little terrier mix dog, too. The dog has never done anything to Maddie, but EVERY time the dog is let out, she head-butts her. The dog is so laid back & on a mission to catch just one lizard in her life that she is completely blind-sided when Maddie attacks. Needless to say, the dog is always supervised when she's out, but Maddie has this uncanny ability to wait for just the right moment that I turn my back to get her...
On the other hand, most times when they are all out grazing, they seem to be fine, although I have seen her do this even then. Mostly it seems to be when I am outside with them. She is not very friendly, nor is Timmy (there's a lot to be said for bottle-baby friendliness!), but she doesn't seem to want him to get near me or possibly any food/treats I may have. She still doesn't do it to Buckley in that situation though.
Am I crazy or does my doe have issues? I'm hoping she IS preggers & drops a doeling so I can eventually get rid of her if she keeps this up.
If she's not preggers, I may have to get rid of her anyway because the buck she attacks is the one I bought to breed her with in the future! Buckley is going to be wethered soon, so using him to breed is not an option.
Help?! Do I keep the 2 bucks separate from Maddie? Do I ride it out a little longer & hope it changes? I feel bad for Timmy, he's so little & cute. It's gotta be messing with his 'psyche' in some form--he steers clear of her whenever possible.
Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to try to give as much info as possible from the start.
 

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I have only had goats for 12 months and never had two bucks with one doe.

Maybe two bucks with one doe is not a good idea, even though they are very young, they will try to mount anything in sight. My nine week old tries to mount the chickens, the sheep anything he can.

If she is pregnant it may not be a good idea to have them together, my older buck ( sadly not with us anymore) tried to mount her when she was about 4 months pregnant, I had to separate her.

So I really don't know, somebody with more experience will come along soon.
 

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I'm not positive but maybe she can smell testosterone and since she is pregnant, doesn't want to be bothered. You may be better off separating the males from your doe. I suppose it is possible for one goat to really dislike another one.
 

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Although I have not witnessed any mounting attempts, I know that doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't happening.
Do you think that's a sign that she IS pregnant? I know the only reliable test is a blood test, but I thought someone may also be able to help with a few 'tells.'
Keeping them separate is not a problem or big deal. I have separate large dog kennels that they can use for their "barn." I'm also working on fencing the yard in a couple of different sections for when I possibly have doelings or does in heat & don't want them bred. I just thought I'd have quite a bit of time to get that done...
Thanks for your responses, btw.
 

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I'm not really sure with tell tale signs of pregnancy. There is stuff like the pooch test which is looking at their back end but I have looked at a lot of pooch test pictures and still can't tell on my own does. Then there is some sort of bounce thing you can do if they are further along. Right in front of their udder, you put your hands and then kind of bounce the doe. If you feel something kind of bounce down and hit your hand, then supposedly you are feeling a kid. But that hasn't worked for me yet either.
 

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Thanks, Karen! I will have to give both of those a try. You never know, right?
Still thinking about the blood test, but I hate needles...I saw the video of the 9 year old girl drawing blood & while I thought "good for her!" it still freaked me out.
On a different note, I have started using a squirt gun on her when she goes after the dog...still don't know why she does that, the dog is female & fixed...
 

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My guess would be that since she came from a large herd, she's found that she CAN be dominant in a herd of 3. Maybe she's taking advantage of the situation!
 

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Goats just do not like dogs. Best to keep them seperate. And hoping that your doe has a girl baby so you can get rid of the doe wont stop the pushing and shoving. That is just a fact of life in a goat herd. As long as my little girls stay behind my herd boss they are ok but if they forget for just an instant they are quickly reminded. Even tho there is a lot of pushing and shoving nobody is scared of the boss so I guess she is not really hurting them. Just looks brutal to us humans.
 

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Yeah, I am hoping, if she does turn out to be pregnant, that she drops at least one doeling. I recently bought a doeling & have access to one more from the same person.
It's getting to the point that I don't even like the older doe.
The babies that I have get along with the dog just fine, including the one young buck that I have that wasnt bottle-fed.
She's making me crazy!!!
 
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