Well last night was a long night to say the least. I did go in and feel around but it was my first time so I had no idea what to expect. When I first went in I could feel something but wasn't sure what I later found out it was a baby that died many many weeks ago. So she eventually passed it. Well this morning there was no change she hadn't had a live or developed baby but I could feel one in her belly. I didn't even bother sticking my hand in her because I had no luck last night. I just loaded her up took her to the vet. He tried to put his hand in and could not get very deep. Her uterus was twisted and we chose to do a c-section on her. The baby she had left in her was dead by then which I already was sure of but it was HUGE and when I say huge it was bigger then any single boer or kiko kid I have had born here. This goat by the was is a Nubian.