i think my 4 month old goat was overwormed. Please help, new owner!

[elevan]

If he is 4 months old, showing anemia and just dewormed with Panacur and Cydectin then I strongly suspect coccidia. I highly doubt it was overdose of dewormer, it's not a common thing as most have a decently high safety margin.

Options listed here: http://www.backyardherds.com/web/viewblog.php?id=2607-coccidia-goat

If you're in the States then your vet isn't likely to be open Monday as it's Memorial Day. I'd go ahead and start treating right away.

We give Red Cell here at a dose of 6 ml / 20-30# every 6-8 hours for 24 hours, then once per week until better. It can take weeks to recover from anemia.

I also want to make sure that you're looking at the eyelid right when determining that they are "white"...some people don't even realize that they're doing it wrongly. Here is a good slideshow to help you understand the technique: http://www.slideshare.net/schoenian/worm-diagnostics

Give Probiotics (or yogurt) in heavy doses.

 

[lunaflora]

I agree with previous posters that you should treat for coccidia, and that it is unlikely to be a wormer overdose. If it is related to the wormer, it could be that the kid is experiencing a massive worm die-off, paired with anemia which takes time to correct. B12 and iron are what you're getting the kid with Red Cell, but Red Cell also has lots of other things...a more direct approach would be to get injectable iron (OTC) and injectable B12 (Rx), or I use sub-lingual B12 pills for humans, which are inexpensive, OTC, and taste good. Just don't give iron pills because they upset the stomach. Otherwise, until you can get to a vet, you are just supporting the immune system....probios, electrolytes, make sure there is access to clean fresh hay, water, feed, baking soda, minerals....I'd also give a dose of BoSe, but since that's a prescription item so if you don't already have on hand you won't be able to give until Tuesday.

Good luck!

Shosha
Chapel Hill, NC

 

[lunaflora]

And thanks, elevan, for the slideshow. Body condition slide is very useful.

 

[elevan]

And thanks, elevan, for the slideshow. Body condition slide is very useful.

 

[steph1972]

HEY YALL!! I THINK GOATY HAS JUST MADE IT OVER THE HILL. HES STARTING TO GET A LITLE COLOR IN HIS THIRD EYELIDS AND WENT FROM ME MAKING HIM TAKE A SYRINGE FULL OF YOUGART OR ELECTROLYTES TO ASKING FOR IT! HE IS STILL VERY TIRED AND I LET HIM REST BUT I WAS SCARED TO LET HIM STAY DOWN TOO LONG!!
MY QUESTION NOW IS, HOW DO I KNOW IF HE NEEDS ANTIBIOTICS? THE PEOPLE I GOT HIM FRM SAY HE WAS ON A WORMING PROGRAM (ALONG WITH THE OTHER 7 I GOT), SO HOW WUD HE HAVE GOTTEN SO ANEMIC?

 

[steph1972]

IF ITS COCCIDIA, ARE THE OTHERS IN DANGER AND Y ARENT THEY SICK? ONE IF THE GIRLS SEEMED VERY TOXIC AFTER WORMING AS WELL BUT BOUNCED BACK.

 

[steph1972]

ANOTHER THING.....THE EYE MEMBRANES WERE SNOW WHITE, INCLUDING HIS, WHAT I CALL (FROM WORKING WITH DOGS AND CATS) THIRD EYELID WHICH SEEMED MORE PROMINATE THIS MORNING. NOW, ITS STILL THERE BUT NOT AS BAD!!!
btw, THANKS FOR THE SLIDE SHOW AND ALL THE INFO EVERYONE HAS OFFERED! i NEVER KNEW ANYTHING LIKE THIS WAS AVAIL!!!

 

[elevan]

You keep talking about the "third eyelid"... What you need to look at in goats is the inside of the lower eyelid.

Any goat from 3 weeks of age to 2 years of age is susceptible to coccidia, so yes any of them could get it. Coccidia can be sub clinical which means that they can have it and not show symptoms. Sub clinical goats that aren't treated will develop scar tissue in their intestines which make it difficult to process nutrients and you'll have goats that are poor doers.

Deworming on a routine is a bad practice as it breeds drug resistant worms. Read more here: http://www.backyardherds.com/web/viewblog.php?id=2607-parasite-mgmt

On the doe that "seemed toxic" after deworming...she may have dumped a heavier load of worms and just felt out of sorts. I'm sure you've heard the expression, "it gets worse before it gets better" sometimes after medication there is a window where animals (or humans) feel worse before they feel better (it's called side effects).

 

[steph1972]

Thank you!!! BTW, I am a city girl turned country 7 years ago and its the best thing thats ever happened to me. I am a vet tech from the city that only saw dogs, cats, birds and some reptiles and rabbits. I knew as a child that I wanted to b a country girl so as soon as we moved out of the city, I got chickens and still have and love my chickens. I brought with me a dog, a cat and a horse a husband and a son. I now have 3 dogs 4 cats plus 3 that I am rehabilitating and will adopt out, 4 horses, including a mini, a rabit, 9 chckens and 6 silkie babies and as of 2 days ago 8 goats!!! oh, and I still have the husband, my son and a daughter.
I guess I keep refering to it (the third eyelid)bc it doesnt show in the others.
I do apologize for my ignorance but I really want to learn.
Ok, so i need to be dosing the red cell to him every few hours at least until I can get him or a fecal sample to the vet?!?! He ate over 300 cc's of yougart today and was constantly nibbling on grass, hay or feed unless he was sleeping. He's drinking water well too. he is urinating and his stool is soft formed little turds, not pellets.
I really do appreciate ur help!!!

 

[elevan]

I guess I keep refering to it (the third eyelid)bc it doesnt show in the others.

Can you clarify? Are you saying that the lower eyelid (you use your thumb to press just below it to force it to roll downward) is or isn't white / pale?

I do apologize for my ignorance but I really want to learn.

No need to apologize at all.

Ok, so i need to be dosing the red cell to him every few hours at least until I can get him or a fecal sample to the vet?!?!

I only dose it consistently for the first 24 hours and then switch to once per week.
6 ml / 20-30# every 6-8 hours for 24 hours, then once per week until better.

He ate over 300 cc's of yougart today and was constantly nibbling on grass, hay or feed unless he was sleeping. He's drinking water well too. he is urinating and his stool is soft formed little turds, not pellets.
I really do appreciate ur help!!!

"dog logs" those soft formed turds are better than runny diarrhea but are still considered scours. Your goal is pellets