New CL Vaccine for Goats?

[sprocket]

Hi All -

I've seen a couple mentions in the forums of a new CL vaccine for goats - is anyone able to provide more information on this? I'm presuming this is different that Colorado Serum's Casebac and Caseous DT for sheep?

Thanks for any info!

Cory

 

[20kidsonhill]

It pretty much works the same, but is has been tested on goats, Recommended dosage is 1 cc for an animal older than 3 months of age. give booster 14 days after first shot and then one time a year. You can order it directly from the company or from Jeffers, It is not available in all states at tjos time, just came out on the market in May. I know they have a lot of goat ranchers using it. We have been using the sheep vaccine from Colorao serum, but will be switching our entire herd over to the new goat vaccine. Also can be ordered through Jefferslivestock.com



http://goatrancherupdate.blogspot.com/2012/05/texas-vet-lab-inc-offers-cl-vaccine-for.html

Edited to add:
Their phone number: 800-284-8403

http://tennesseemeatgoats.com/MeatGoatMania/May2012/index.html

 

[Goatherd]

I have actually used the vaccine. Seven goats received the injection and one developed an injection site abscess and one developed a swelling which they say can happen. My own vet told me to possibly expect this and advised that it could take as long as 6 months to develop these issues. The swelling lasted about a week and the abscess, a little longer until it healed.

The other goats had no reactions whatsoever and so far, none of the other goats have shown any reaction.

I purchased the vaccine as soon as it came out so mine have been vaccinated for almost 4 months.

Many will say that they don't want to use something that is "new" until it has had time to be used by the general populace. I am not one of them.

 

[Renegade]

Technically it's not really new on the market. This is the same as the autogenous vaccine that was being made for individual farms. It is new in the fact it has been tested on goats so it can now be marketed for goats. Unfortunately some state vets are not allowing it to be shipped to every state.

Donna

 

[Lupa Duende]

I think my girl ziege has cl.

Does anyone know how to calculate the risks of cl spreading to my other goats, pony, and children?

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Why do you think she has CL?

CL is passed only from direct contact with the puss and must be ingested or enter the body somehow. It can't go to your pony and it is not dangerous to people.

 

[Lupa Duende]

She has a swelling directly over her lower right mandibular lymph node.
It is not hot to touch
It does not bother her, itch, et cetera
She has a 'smoker's cough' but she was adopted with that last june 2012
I shaved it and tried to find an entry point hoping it was a foreign body, no luck.
I tried to aspirate with no luck, it was too hard
I tried to lance with no luck either...., my fault has i hesitated having no iodine flush
I will take her to my vet in ormstown monday.
Everything. Read suggests i slaughter her. This is not an option for me as she is a member of our family.
Should i order the vaccine in advance knowing it will help?
I understand the herd will test positive for cl after the vaccine just like we test positive for tuberculosis after the european tb vaccine.
I want my goblins to live happy lives, as healthy as possible. We have a farm animal refuge so ziege is here for the rest of her unproductive life, just like me

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Ok first of all do not kill her. There is no need to slaughter a CL+ goat unless you wish to keep a CL clean herd. CL really is no danger to people or the goat.

Also do not take her to the vet. Waste of time and money. They can not tell you if it is CL or not. Only way to tell if it is CL is to do a blood test or send the puss in and have it tested for CL. Only way. Also, goats get lumps quite often and they are not always CL so this does not mean she has CL though being on a lymph node there is a greater risk of it being CL+

What you need to do is, when the hair starts to fall off the lump you must get her away from all other goats and away from where all other goats go. Put her on a tarp of something you can throw away. Be sure to have iodine, alcohol, water, gloves, trash bags, papertowels and a razor blade. Shave around the lump. Use the razor and cut one cut top to bottom. From the very top the the very bottom of the lump. It will not hurt as the nerves are already stretched to where they can not feel. Once open, wearing gloves, squeeze as much puss out as you can and get it in something like a cup. Keep it for testing. Use water to help you clean it out and be sure to put your fingers in and get all that puss out. After you have it all out put about 10cc of alcohol into it. Leave it there for 5 minutes! Do not mess with it. Then again water and keep looking for more puss. It will be sticky and yellowish in color. After you have it all out and it is clean you need to put 10 cc or more of iodine into and around the wound. Be sure she has no puss on her anywhere ie. leg shoulder etc. Then keep her away from the others until it is completely healed. 10-21 days. Spray iodine in and around every single day until she goes back with the rest. Also burn all the papertowels, towels, gloves etc. Burn it all. Be sure you have none on you. CL is passed only by direct contact with the puss so if you can keep her away from the rest when the is able to shed the puss and nobody comes in contact with it it will not spread. It all very easy and not a big deal.

No if you ever have a goat that has more than one CL lump at one time then you do need to cull it and if they get them often you need to cull. If it ever goes internal and becomes internal CL then you MUST cull.

As for the vaccine. No way. I am not into vaccines and this one is too new for me. I will not use it and do not recommend anyone else use it.

btw you can still breed her. Nothing wrong with breeding her.

 

[kstaven]

One thing to note is it is NOT recommended for lactating goats.

 

[sprocket]

What you need to do is, when the hair starts to fall off the lump you must get her away from all other goats and away from where all other goats go. Put her on a tarp of something you can throw away. Be sure to have iodine, alcohol, water, gloves, trash bags, papertowels and a razor blade. Shave around the lump. Use the razor and cut one cut top to bottom. From the very top the the very bottom of the lump. It will not hurt as the nerves are already stretched to where they can not feel. Once open, wearing gloves, squeeze as much puss out as you can and get it in something like a cup. Keep it for testing. Use water to help you clean it out and be sure to put your fingers in and get all that puss out. After you have it all out put about 10cc of alcohol into it. Leave it there for 5 minutes! Do not mess with it. Then again water and keep looking for more puss. It will be sticky and yellowish in color. After you have it all out and it is clean you need to put 10 cc or more of iodine into and around the wound. Be sure she has no puss on her anywhere ie. leg shoulder etc. Then keep her away from the others until it is completely healed. 10-21 days. Spray iodine in and around every single day until she goes back with the rest. Also burn all the papertowels, towels, gloves etc. Burn it all. Be sure you have none on you. CL is passed only by direct contact with the puss so if you can keep her away from the rest when the is able to shed the puss and nobody comes in contact with it it will not spread. It all very easy and not a big deal.

We've found that this is the technique that works best for us as well. Slight variations in how we do things:

* I've found that the hair won't necessarily always fall off on on ours before lancing. I'm tempted to isolate the goat a bit sooner, just in case things rupture.

* I like to soak a bit of cotton gauze in iodine and pack the abscess with it. Leave a little bit hanging out and each day, pull a bit more out. This really helps to dry out the cavity and prevents the abscess from reforming.