purina goat minerals

[marlowmanor]

We had to buy goat feed today from the local feed store since our usual source was out and wouldn't have any for a few days and we were out of feed. While DH was figuring out which feed to get he saw a 25lb bag of goat minerals and picked it up too. Previously we had been feeding them the Manna Pro Goat Minerals we got from TSC in 5 lb bags.

Does anyone use the Purina Goat Minerals? Is it a good mineral for goats? I don't want them to have a bad mineral.

 

[ksalvagno]

I would just compare the labels.

 

[marlowmanor]

I would just compare the labels.

I'll look at them tomorrow. Hopefully I can find one of the old bags of Manna Pro Minerals.

Actaully I may just try to find it and compare the 2 online. Both Purina and Manna Pro should have their ingredient labels online somewhere.

Off to do some research. Still waiting on anyone who may have experience with the Purina Minerals though.

 

[marlowmanor]

Ok so I found the ingredient list for both online. Here they are together.

Manna Pro Goat Minerals
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Min 4.00%
(This includes not more than 4.0% equivalent crude protein from non-protein nitrogen)
Calcium Min 16.00%
Calcium Max 19.20%
Phosphorus Min 8.00%
Salt Min 12.00%
Salt Max 14.40%
Potassium Min 1.50%
Magnesium Min 1.50%
Copper Min 1350 PPM
Manganese Min 2750 PPM
Zinc Min 5500 PPM
Selenium Min 12 PPM
Vitamin A Min 300,000 IU/LB
Vitamin D3 Min 30,000 IU/LB
Vitamin E Min 400 IU/LB
Ingredients
MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, DICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, CALCIUM CARBONATE, SALT, DISTILLERS DRIED GRAINS WITH SOLUBLES, CANE MOLASSES, VEGETABLE OIL, YEAST CULTURE, AMMONIUM CHLORIDE, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, POTASSIUM SULFATE, POTASSIUM AMINO ACID COMPLEX, MAGNESIUM OXIDE, MAGNESIUM AMINO ACID CHELATE, MAGNESIUM SULFATE, FERROUS SULFATE, FERROUS CARBONATE, COPPER SULFATE, COPPER AMINO ACID CHELATE, MANGANOUS OXIDE, MANGANESE SULFATE, MANGANESE AMINO ACID CHELATE, ZINC OXIDE, ZINC SULFATE, ZINC AMINO ACID CHELATE, COBALT CARBONATE, CALCIUM IODATE, SODIUM SELENITE, VITAMIN A SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN D3 SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN E SUPPLEMENT, SACCHAROMYCES CEREVISIA, DRIED ENTEROCOCCUS FAECIUM FERMENTATION PRODUCT, DRIED LACTOBACILLIUS CASEI, DRIED LACTOBACILLIUS ACIDOPHILLUS FERMENTATION PRODUCT, DRIED LACTOBACILLUS PLANTARUM FERMENTATION PRODUCT, DRIED BACILLUS SUBTILLUS FERMENTATION PRODUCT, DRIED ASPERGILLUS ORYZAE FERMENTATION EXTRACT, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS.


Purina Goat Minerals
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Calcium, (Ca) Min 9.00 %
Calcium, (Ca) Max 11.00 %
Phosphorus, (P) Min 8.00 %
Salt, (NaCI) Min 41.00 %
Salt, (NaCI) Max 45.00 %
Potassium, (K) Min 0.10 %
Magnesium, (Mg) Min 1.00 %
Copper, (Cu) Min 1,750.00 ppm
Copper, (Cu) Max 1,800.00 ppm
Selenium, (Se) Min 25.00 ppm
Zinc, (Zn) Min 7,500.00 ppm
Vitamin A Min 140,000.00 IU/lb
Vitamin D Min 11,000.00 IU/lb
Vitamin E Min 750.00 IU/lb

Ingredients
Salt, Dicalcium phosphate, Calcium carbonate, Molasses products, Mineral oil, Magnesium oxide, Copper sulfate, Zinc oxide, Vitamin E supplement, Ferric oxide, Manganese sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, Cobalt carbonate, Calcium iodate, Ethylenediamine dihydroiodide, Sodium molybdate, Vitamin D supplement, Manganous oxide, Ferrous carbonate, Zinc sulfate, Fenugreek flavoring, Sodium selenite.


In looking over it breifly I see that Ammonium Chloride is not listed in the Purina minerals. There are less ingredients in the Purina minerals. No protein percentage is listed in the Purina minerals.

Hoping that someone else can give some info about these minerals. Either way we are stuck with them as the bag has already been opened and poured into another container. Is there something I should add to the minerals (like AC maybe) to make them appropriate?

 

[DonnaBelle]

Also Manna Pro are chelated minerals. Supposedly better.

Ok, here's a link to the explanation: http://www.probioticsmart.com/blog/understanding-minerals-in-livestock-diets/

DonnaBelle

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Just by looking at the Manna Pro and the Purina minerals I would take the Manna pro over the Purina. I like the higher % of Ca and P and I do not like how the Purina's salt is screaming high. I would figure they are both ok but I would prefer the Manna Pro. I have not used either though.

 

[marlowmanor]

Now I get to try to explain to DH that what he bought isn't necessarily the best thing for the goats.

This is what happens when I send an inexperienced goat person into the feed store without me. We didn't even plan to buy more minerals today. DH saw the large bag and figured it would be okay and got it.

I guess we have little choice but to use it till it runs out then make sure we go back to the Manna Pro when we run out. I think I am going to see what a bag of AC to add to it would cost too.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Now get to try to explain to DH that what he bought isn't necessarily the best thing for the goats.

This is what happens when I send an inexperienced goat person into the feed store without me. We didn't even plan to buy more minerals today. DH saw the large bag and figured it would be okay and got it.

I guess we have little choice but to use it till it runs out then make sure we go back to the Manna Pro when we run out. I think I am going to see what a bag of AC to add to it would cost too.

Well the minerals aren't going to kill them. lol They should be fine. I would use it up and go back to the old stuff. btw you can use cattle mineral if you look at the label and know what you are looking for. Mot cattle feed and mineral is very close to goats but because cattle are so much larger and when people buy for cattle it is done in large amounts cattle products are less expensive. If your goats have good hay, good browse, and plenty of fresh water then what I would do is get 1:1 Ca to P cattle mineral, if you can find it at a good price. But the only way you can do that is they MUST have good browse, hay and water. If not then stick to what you have been doing. I'm sure you know I am not trying to tell you what to do, just trying to help out. And believe me, the mineral you have been using is pretty good, so there you go. lol

 

[marlowmanor]

Now get to try to explain to DH that what he bought isn't necessarily the best thing for the goats.

This is what happens when I send an inexperienced goat person into the feed store without me. We didn't even plan to buy more minerals today. DH saw the large bag and figured it would be okay and got it.

I guess we have little choice but to use it till it runs out then make sure we go back to the Manna Pro when we run out. I think I am going to see what a bag of AC to add to it would cost too.

Well the minerals aren't going to kill them. lol They should be fine. I would use it up and go back to the old stuff. btw you can use cattle mineral if you look at the label and know what you are looking for. Mot cattle feed and mineral is very close to goats but because cattle are so much larger and when people buy for cattle it is done in large amounts cattle products are less expensive. If your goats have good hay, good browse, and plenty of fresh water then what I would do is get 1:1 Ca to P cattle mineral, if you can find it at a good price. But the only way you can do that is they MUST have good browse, hay and water. If not then stick to what you have been doing. I'm sure you know I am not trying to tell you what to do, just trying to help out. And believe me, the mineral you have been using is pretty good, so there you go. lol

Well my goats are pretty much dry lotted. We do cut browse (tree limbs, weeds, briar bushes) for them on a regular basis (at least weekly) and they have access to hay and water daily. We feed them goat feed daily too. I was fine with the Manna Pro minerals and I knew that lots of folks on here recommended it. Like I said before I didn't even know DH was going to get minerals too. He was just supposed to get some goat feed so we had some to last us till we can get some from our regular supplier. Next time I'll make sure I go in with him so he doesn't do these impulse buys anymore!

Don't worry I know you aren't trying to boss me around. I asked for honest opinions and recommendations and I am getting them. I am here to learn.

What minerals do you use? I'm guessing you use a cattle mineral for your goats. I'd have no problem using a cattle mineral if it ends up being more cost effective. I am definately all about saving money.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Sounds like someone might be in trouble. lol

I don't have minerals for my goats. They have never seemed to need it and all of them are very healthy. I still think it would be a good idea to get them minerals and will more than likely be giving them some soon. As much as I want to give 1:1 mineral I think will end up going with something like yours because in some of the fields there are not much browse left and I don't want any issues. The Kiko does could get it but it would be easier to just buy one kind of mineral.