Question on using Anti-Toxin and CD T Vaccine

[battygoatlady]

I'm a newbie to goats and found out the hard way what Tetanus does to a goat. We lost one shortly after bringing him home to this deadly disease. By the time we took him to the vet he was too far gone - we tried to save him but no luck. My vet told us we must have tetanus in our ground so anytime our goats get a wound of any sort or we do a procedure such as banding to automatically give an anti toxin shot and it will protect them for two weeks. We also made sure all of our babies had the CD T vaccination as well. After reading another post on this website it doesn't sound like this is true?? My vet is wonderfull with animals and has treated goats for awhile now. But I figure it doesn't hurt to get a second opinon when your talking about saving your babies lives. Thanks for any info.

 

[helmstead]

Your vet was correct, the post here wasn't. The antitoxin lasts 2 weeks, which is also how long it takes the toxiod to be effective...so if you do both you're covered both long and short term.

 

[cmjust0]

I think I know the thread you were talking about...and I think it was probably me who gave you doubt. What didn't make sense to me lay in my belief that the tetanus anti-toxin wore off quickly...too quickly to battle a tetanus infection that may take a few days to set up..

If, however, your veterinarian said the tetanus anti-toxin provides protection for up to two weeks, it makes absolutely perfect sense to administer it when tagging, castrating, or disbudding..

The problem was, I didn't realize it lasted that long! You learn something new everyday.

FWIW...I was actually trying to get the person with whom I was having that conversation to tell if/why they gave anti-toxin when castrating or tagging, but...as you may have noticed...I was politely asked to move along and find another topic before that could happen. Not sure why, but...oh well.

 

[helmstead]

I thought I might be prudent to also say that the C/D antitoxin is NOT long acting - you have to dose this every 12-24 hrs when in crisis - and we use C/D antitoxin on a goat even if they have had the toxiod as this is never 100% effective, so we don't take chances if we've had a bloat/feed room break in/etc.

 

[cmjust0]

I thought I might be prudent to also say that the C/D antitoxin is NOT long acting - you have to dose this every 12-24 hrs when in crisis - and we use C/D antitoxin on a goat even if they have had the toxiod as this is never 100% effective, so we don't take chances if we've had a bloat/feed room break in/etc.

Excellent point -- that's where I was screwing up.

I always went by the old...

Toxoid: to avoid
Anti-toxin: in need of fixin'

...school of thought and applied what I knew about C/D anti-toxin's short-acting characteristics to both C/D and Tetanus anti-toxins. Didn't know the Tetanus anti-toxin provided protection for 10-14 days.

 

[Griffin's Ark]

I think I know the thread you were talking about...and I think it was probably me who gave you doubt. What didn't make sense to me lay in my belief that the tetanus anti-toxin wore off quickly...too quickly to battle a tetanus infection that may take a few days to set up..

If, however, your veterinarian said the tetanus anti-toxin provides protection for up to two weeks, it makes absolutely perfect sense to administer it when tagging, castrating, or disbudding..

The problem was, I didn't realize it lasted that long! You learn something new everyday.

FWIW...I was actually trying to get the person with whom I was having that conversation to tell if/why they gave anti-toxin when castrating or tagging, but...as you may have noticed...I was politely asked to move along and find another topic before that could happen. Not sure why, but...oh well.

I did answer your question on that post and hope that it wasn't me that made you think to not respond on it anymore. Anti-Toxin is one of the greatest medications to have for goats the other is my personal preference LA-200. A shot that lasts three days and covers a lot of probelms that a goat could have like hoof rot, pneumonia and other bacterial infections and it does not cause quite as much disruption in the rumen as Penicillian does.

Chris

Edit: After 30 minutes of looking I found the other post. I am thinking that F.K. meant to start a discussion on that topic. Which would have been a good thing to do since there was confusion. Oh well hind sight is 20/20

 

[cmjust0]

I did answer your question on that post and hope that it wasn't me that made you think to not respond on it anymore.

Naw..

Anti-Toxin is one of the greatest medications to have for goats the other is my personal preference LA-200. A shot that lasts three days and covers a lot of probelms that a goat could have like hoof rot, pneumonia and other bacterial infections and it does not cause quite as much disruption in the rumen as Penicillian does.

Ever used Bio-Mycin 200? A buddy of mine with a lot of goat experience won't use LA200 anymore because he "stroked out" a couple of sick goats with it.. They say LA200 burns pretty bad, and I wouldn't doubt that his batch was old and oxidized, which would certainly make it even worse.. Apparently the pain was bad enough that a few of his went into shock and died.

My experience has been that, with a 22ga needle, they don't even take their head out of the feed pan when you stick'em with Bio-Mycin.. The active ingredients and dosage levels are exactly the same as LA200, too... The only difference is that Bio-Mycin is "formulated with a 'no sting' carrier."

A 100ml bottle at Jeffers is like $13, which is actually $2 cheaper than name-brand LA200..

 

[Griffin's Ark]

Ever used Bio-Mycin 200?

Just used it today. With a 20 ga needle. On a huge Kiko buck and he didn't kill me! I am thinking I will switch to it next time!
Here is the buck...

Thanks CM

Chris

 

[cmjust0]

Quite a set of handlebars on that guy..

Bio-Mycin -->

 

[battygoatlady]

Okay I'm confused again - Nothing new there - So the anti-toxin is or is not long lasting? One person wrote it is not and needs to be administered daily, Someone else wrote that it last three days. My vet said 12-14 days. Does it depend on the anti-toxin you use?? I bought mine at TSC (cheaper then vet) but it gives very little directions or information - cannot remember the name offhand.