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I don't even know where to start...I'm going to try to make this make sense to newer members who don't know the backstory (and to those who've forgotten the details).

2008 - I sold Mandy and Hannah to a friend, Rick. Mandy is 75% Boer, Hannah is her daughter, sired by a Nubian.

Mandy - pictured in 2009

Mandy909.jpg


Hannah - pictured in 2010

Hannah2010.jpg


They came back in 2009 to be bred, the breeding fee was a kid back from one of them...then the following spring Hannah gave birth to Peyton, my spotted doe. She was the kid I chose as my fee.

They came back again in 2010 for breeding, again the 'fee' was a kid back. (I noticed then they looked a bit rough, and spoke to Rick about getting them some better mineral and feed.)

When we went to pick up our kid after Mandy kidded this spring, (Austin - a black doe I've posted pics of this year) and I mentioned again that Mandy and Hannah didn't look so good...Rick confessed that he was overwhelmed - his 2 yr old daughter was in and out of the hospital (she has a rare disease and it's taking several trips to a children's hospital to get her treatment(s) lined up - his wife was pregnant, and he was having some health problems. He asked if I knew anyone who'd consider taking them.

We came home and I called a guy I was buying hay from to see if he'd be interested, Josh. Josh had bought a few goats from us and sold us a batch of really nice hay.
He picked them up from Josh for $150.00 and I assumed they were doing fine.
We bought another batch of hay from him that we found out later was over a year old and not from the farm we were told it was from originally. We had some goats get pretty bad looking on that hay, and I wasn't a happy camper.

About 6 wks ago - late July -Josh calls me in a panic because Mandy had just kidded, her udder didn't fill, and he had sold his house and had no supplies (all packed away) or milk and was staying w/ a family friend - would I take Mandy's twins and bottle raise them for him.

I did the math...Mandy had JUST had Austin back in January. Here 6 mos. later she's given birth again. He explained that all of his goats were being kept as his dads, and all running together...bucks and does.

I was supposed to get to keep the doeling, and he'd get the buckling back. After the little doeling died I called and asked him to come and get the buckling, and last week he showed up to get him.
He mentioned he was selling most of his goats. I asked if he still had Mandy and Hannah. He says yes. He said he'd sell them to me for $100.00, and give me a Boer doe to make up for the little doeling who'd died.

Tonight he delivered them.

This is the boer doe, "Freckles" - a bit thin, but her eyelids look good and she acts pretty hearty.

Freckles.jpg


This is Hannah. Very thin, it's hard to see in the pics, but she is.

Hannah.jpg


Hannah2.jpg


And my poor, sweet Mandy....

Mandy-1.jpg


Mandy2-1.jpg


HannahMandy.jpg


Granted, kidding 2x in 6.5 mos would take a doe down, but this is awful. Sickening. Pathetic.

I'm just sick over it. I promised Rick that Josh would give them a good home - and obviously he didn't.

He says his father has been feeding them hay daily, but no grain. He blames their condition on the fact that Mandy and Hannah don't get aggressive at feeding time.
Hanna's eyelids are medium pink, but Mandys are gray, very pale. She also doesn't act like herself, very skittish and jumpy.

All 3 of them have been running w/ an Oberhasli buck, so as soon as Mandy looks better, they'll be getting luted in case they're pregnant. I want all 3 in better shape before trying to carry babies.
 

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Roll farms said:
I don't even know where to start...I'm going to try to make this make sense to newer members who don't know the backstory (and to those who've forgotten the details).

2008 - I sold Mandy and Hannah to a friend, Rick. Mandy is 75% Boer, Hannah is her daughter, sired by a Nubian.

Mandy - pictured in 2009

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Mandy909.jpg

Hannah - pictured in 2010

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Hannah2010.jpg

They came back in 2009 to be bred, the breeding fee was a kid back from one of them...then the following spring Hannah gave birth to Peyton, my spotted doe. She was the kid I chose as my fee.

They came back again in 2010 for breeding, again the 'fee' was a kid back. (I noticed then they looked a bit rough, and spoke to Rick about getting them some better mineral and feed.)

When we went to pick up our kid after Mandy kidded this spring, (Austin - a black doe I've posted pics of this year) and I mentioned again that Mandy and Hannah didn't look so good...Rick confessed that he was overwhelmed - his 2 yr old daughter was in and out of the hospital (she has a rare disease and it's taking several trips to a children's hospital to get her treatment(s) lined up - his wife was pregnant, and he was having some health problems. He asked if I knew anyone who'd consider taking them.

We came home and I called a guy I was buying hay from to see if he'd be interested, Josh. Josh had bought a few goats from us and sold us a batch of really nice hay.
He picked them up from Josh for $150.00 and I assumed they were doing fine.
We bought another batch of hay from him that we found out later was over a year old and not from the farm we were told it was from originally. We had some goats get pretty bad looking on that hay, and I wasn't a happy camper.

About 6 wks ago - late July -Josh calls me in a panic because Mandy had just kidded, her udder didn't fill, and he had sold his house and had no supplies (all packed away) or milk and was staying w/ a family friend - would I take Mandy's twins and bottle raise them for him.

I did the math...Mandy had JUST had Austin back in January. Here 6 mos. later she's given birth again. He explained that all of his goats were being kept as his dads, and all running together...bucks and does.

I was supposed to get to keep the doeling, and he'd get the buckling back. After the little doeling died I called and asked him to come and get the buckling, and last week he showed up to get him.
He mentioned he was selling most of his goats. I asked if he still had Mandy and Hannah. He says yes. He said he'd sell them to me for $100.00, and give me a Boer doe to make up for the little doeling who'd died.

Tonight he delivered them.

This is the boer doe, "Freckles" - a bit thin, but her eyelids look good and she acts pretty hearty.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Freckles.jpg

This is Hannah. Very thin, it's hard to see in the pics, but she is.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Hannah.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Hannah2.jpg

And my poor, sweet Mandy....

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Mandy-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/Mandy2-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/kritter11/HannahMandy.jpg

Granted, kidding 2x in 6.5 mos would take a doe down, but this is awful. Sickening. Pathetic.

I'm just sick over it. I promised Rick that Josh would give them a good home - and obviously he didn't.

He says his father has been feeding them hay daily, but no grain. He blames their condition on the fact that Mandy and Hannah don't get aggressive at feeding time.
Hanna's eyelids are medium pink, but Mandys are gray, very pale. She also doesn't act like herself, very skittish and jumpy.

All 3 of them have been running w/ an Oberhasli buck, so as soon as Mandy looks better, they'll be getting luted in case they're pregnant. I want all 3 in better shape before trying to carry babies.
I never got why people keep unhealthy unhappy animals. whats the fun in that?
 

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:hugs

Wow...I really don't know what to say that wouldn't get me into trouble for saying it out loud.
 

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Oh Rolls I am so sorry. Those are beautiful goats. What a monster he is. At least they have you to get them back into shape. I know you can do it. Those pictures make me want to cry. :hit Good luck and please keep us posted as how they are doing. Your Hannah looks just like my doe Sara except for the ears. My does ears are solid black. I also can not believe he let her get pregnant that soon. :somad :smack
 

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Poor girls :( Hope you can get them back into shape quickly. Maybe they are sick & he didn't know how to treat them??
 

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:ep OMG, I can't believe how bad they look. Sounds like Josh is someone not to deal with anymore including hay. Obviously doesn't care. I'm so sorry. I hope you can get Mandy back to her original state. :hugs
 

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I just feel so awful that Mandy got to this point. What if I hadn't asked if he still had her? I seriously think she was less than a week from death.
And you can feel every rib on Hannah.

Also, Mandy has a nasty case of mastitis. I'm betting when she had Austin / Rick sold her to Josh, he didn't bother to milk her at all (and she was one of my 'milking boers', so needed it) - just let her udder go...and that is why she had no milk for the twins.

Treating her udder w/ Tomorrow as soon as I get her a bit stronger.
 

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Don't understand people anymore. Truly glad they are back in your capable, compassionate hands. Hoping they all bounce back real soon. :)
 
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