The Importance of Good DATA- DATA is in!

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I wanted to share the importance of having good data.

Background: We are NOT in a Selenium deficient area; we are NOT in a copper deficient area. All our goats are on a good high quality feed with high quality loose minerals, they have access to good hay 24 hours a day, tree foliage, grass, and forage. We give some alfalfa several times per week according to season. We have here Nigerian Dwarfs, Lamancha, and Kiko Goats. All goats are in good health... so sickness, no parasite issues.

Observation: We noticed our goats coats were lacking and felt it wasn't just the winter changes. Over time there was also a slight discoloring of their coats. The discoloring was very, very slight. The texture of the coats had changed to being more coarse and not as soft. As all who have goats know, you know your goats! LOL! So any minute change will be noticeable to you.

Hypothesis: We felt, given the lack of any other health issues, no parasite issues etc, this was some sort of deficiency. We suspected possibly copper but maybe zinc they are similar. Our suspicions were the IRON in our WATER. High Iron can act as a binder and not allow the utilization of other minerals. Iron greatly affects copper in particular. Because this appears to have been such a slow gradual effect and not having any issue for years we believed the effects were just slowly building up.

Our Course of Action: Instead of guessing or just giving copper etc and possibly overdosing or making the wrong call we chose to go with the data. We had several samples taken from the 3 different herds on the property. None of these herds co-mingle.
We had a Mineral Analysis done to get the exact information to effectively treat the situation. We were testing for johns and CAE too.

RESULTS: My suspicions were affirmed, our Iron is very high, results in the mineral utilization being interrupted, our course of treatment has not quite been determined as of yet. (Johnes and CAE neg also). Still waiting on the full analysis. Preliminary findings were High Iron. (all the data is together I just havent received the full content)

Conclusion: Having Data really allows for targeting areas that are of concern. I see quite often the stabbing in the dark approach, I see goats get sicker, die, overdosed, or lots of money spent way more than my $25 mineral analysis cost me. I say all this to encourage others to utilize their state vet/ vet schools etc to get the data BEFORE you treat. If I were to just give more copper I could be doing great harm to my animals because the copper could be building up creating a storage issue. I will be working with our 3 vets (I like consensus) to remedy the situation. I will let you all know what the proper plan is for this according to the recommendations I receive.

If you have high Iron in your water (usually well water) please keep this in mind. It can greatly effect the mineral utilization.
 

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Always good to know that you yourself can direct the testing in the right direction. Good advice.
 

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Thank you for posting this information.

It's refreshing to be able to read posts from people who are intelligent and use their noodles and share with the rest of us.

DonnaBelle
 

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One way to reduce the high iron is to change their water source. (no I don't mean drill another well). I catch rain water off the roof of my barn. A number of rain barrels under the drip line of the roof and a float in the water bucket and I am on my way. Very rarely do I need to use well water to water my horse or goats. I once bred rabbits that drank only well water that eventually stopped breeding. I changed everything I could except the water so suspected something in the water was the culprit. Would too much iron affect the reproductive abilities of animals?
 

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We have very high iron, but we hardly get any rain here. Hmmm
 

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I am still waiting for the rest of the reports. :/

We have a filter system, however, we had bypassed the "hose" water. The filters are pricey and we figured it didn't make sense to clean our poultry buildings etc, water animals with "filtered water". We will be revisiting that. :/

We had rain barrels a few years ago but honestly it was a real pain.

Depending on the info we may have to get large barrels and bring in the water.

@ Treeclimber- I am not sure if it would cause that or not. I do know too much iron early in pregnancy can cause birth defects which I am guessing could also cause abortion. I would think that if the iron is binding critical nutrients and the results ending in deficiency, it certainly could cause reproductive issues.

Hopefully I will have the rest of the reports this week. I will share the data and the suggested actions.

Although I am not happy about the situation, this is all so fascinating and such a great learning experience.
I know quite a few people that have healthy goats, no issues, yet this year have also had "coat" issues... most of them also have well water.

The situation reminds me a little of the "tall fescue" issue... the long drawn out slow build up of toxins in the fescue will cause reproductive problems, mostly with placentas and birthing.
 

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What did you mean by taking samples? Did you draw bloood, test the water they were drinking or do a fecal? Where did you go for the test results? This was a very helpful post and I have LOTS to learn :)
 
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