University of Florida study on Papaya seeds for Goat worms.

[OneFineAcre]

We get a magazine for goat owners. Not sure I should mention the name for copyright reasons. If you want to know shoot me a pm

There is an article on a study conducted by the Animal Sciences Department at the University of Florida on ground papaya seeds used as a natural wormer for goats.

It was part of a masters thesis under the supervision of a professor of ruminant nutrition.

It found that 10 grams of ground papaya seeds added to a base diet of bahia grass removed 78 percent of adult parasites and 72 percent of their eggs.

The next most effective treatment was a half and half mixture of lespedeza and bahia grass which reduced the adult count by 52 percent.

It doesn't say how long they fed the supplement.

Further study will be conducted as to tissues, residue and possible side effects.

It's still in the early phases but looks promising.

 

[Moonshine]

Wow that's wonderful news!

 

[Bossroo]

Use of these seeds leaves 22% adult worms and 28% of eggs that just may be resistant to it. The next and the next generations just may make it much worse !

 

[OneFineAcre]

Use of these seeds leaves 22% adult worms and 28% of eggs that just may be resistant to it. The next and the next generations just may make it much worse !

Where did you get that information from?

I was just sharing something I had read, you seem to have more information, perhaps you could share it?

You seem to be implying that the research is a waste of time, but maybe I'm misinterpreting what you wrote.

 

[SheepGirl]

Use of these seeds leaves 22% adult worms and 28% of eggs that just may be resistant to it. The next and the next generations just may make it much worse !

Where did you get that information from?

I was just sharing something I had read, you seem to have more information, perhaps you could share it?

You seem to be implying that the research is a waste of time, but maybe I'm misinterpreting what you wrote.

Based on the percentages removed (78% of adult parasites and 72% of eggs), Bossroo came up with the amount of adults and eggs left over. He's saying because they didn't die, they could be resistant to it. Just like when you use a chemical anthelmintic, not all adults and eggs die...some are left and they become resistant to it.

 

[OneFineAcre]

Use of these seeds leaves 22% adult worms and 28% of eggs that just may be resistant to it. The next and the next generations just may make it much worse !

Where did you get that information from?

I was just sharing something I had read, you seem to have more information, perhaps you could share it?

You seem to be implying that the research is a waste of time, but maybe I'm misinterpreting what you wrote.

Based on the percentages removed (78% of adult parasites and 72% of eggs), Bossroo came up with the amount of adults and eggs left over. He's saying because they didn't die, they could be resistant to it. Just like when you use a chemical anthelmintic, not all adults and eggs die...some are left and they become resistant to it.

It was a rhetorical question.

I knew how Bossroo came up with the numbers.

I was just sharing an interesting article I had read.

Fortunately, in academic research you wouldn't make the assumption that Bossroo is making. If you did there wouldn't be any reason to continue with the research.

I'll tell you one reason I found the article interesting. On this forum, people often ask about herbal or natural worming products. I've seen a number of replies that there has never been a single piece of research indicating that they are effective. Well, that's true because there has been very little to no research on the subject.

Sheep girl I found a very interesting article recently from the USDA on Lespedeza reducing coccidia in sheep. The are actually now starting to make a lespedeza pellet because of this.

I think this is good stuff

 

[Southern by choice]

It was a rhetorical question.

I knew how Bossroo came up with the numbers. wink

I was just sharing an interesting article I had read.

Fortunately, in academic research you wouldn't make the assumption that Bossroo is making. If you did there wouldn't be any reason to continue with the research.

I'll tell you one reason I found the article interesting. On this forum, people often ask about herbal or natural worming products. I've seen a number of replies that there has never been a single piece of research indicating that they are effective. Well, that's true because there has been very little to no research on the subject.

Sheep girl I found a very interesting article recently from the USDA on Lespedeza reducing coccidia in sheep. The are actually now starting to make a lespedeza pellet because of this.

I think this is good stuff smile

I agree with you One Fine!

The reason there is not a lot of research in "natural / holistic" practices .... $$$$$$$$$$$
It takes a lot of money to fund this research... who has the money?
Only the large corporations that make the de-wormers, insecticides etc. Pharmaceutical companies have the $$$$$$$$. It is that simple!

I certainly have no problem with using any product if necessary for my goats but I definitely prefer to NOT have too.
You make a great point with the Lespedeza.

There are some people for whatever reason, that are so anti- anything "natural" or "organic" they actually get irritated when anything like this is posted. Maybe those who don't favor the practices should not visit the organics/natural threads.

At the beginning of the year our Kiko buck had a count of I think (38 eggs) 950 EPG- he WAS NOT DEWORMED- instead we cut the lespedeza (grows naturally on our property) and turned him out into the woods... he ate lots of pine and bark and natural forages... his count... went down to (5 eggs) 125 EPG in a short time.
Imagine- all natural!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing the info!

 

[OneFineAcre]

It was a rhetorical question.

I knew how Bossroo came up with the numbers. wink

I was just sharing an interesting article I had read.

Fortunately, in academic research you wouldn't make the assumption that Bossroo is making. If you did there wouldn't be any reason to continue with the research.

I'll tell you one reason I found the article interesting. On this forum, people often ask about herbal or natural worming products. I've seen a number of replies that there has never been a single piece of research indicating that they are effective. Well, that's true because there has been very little to no research on the subject.

Sheep girl I found a very interesting article recently from the USDA on Lespedeza reducing coccidia in sheep. The are actually now starting to make a lespedeza pellet because of this.

I think this is good stuff smile

I agree with you One Fine!

The reason there is not a lot of research in "natural / holistic" practices .... $$$$$$$$$$$
It takes a lot of money to fund this research... who has the money?
Only the large corporations that make the de-wormers, insecticides etc. Pharmaceutical companies have the $$$$$$$$. It is that simple!

I certainly have no problem with using any product if necessary for my goats but I definitely prefer to NOT have too.
You make a great point with the Lespedeza.

There are some people for whatever reason, that are so anti- anything "natural" or "organic" they actually get irritated when anything like this is posted. Maybe those who don't favor the practices should not visit the organics/natural threads.

At the beginning of the year our Kiko buck had a count of I think (38 eggs) 950 EPG- he WAS NOT DEWORMED- instead we cut the lespedeza (grows naturally on our property) and turned him out into the woods... he ate lots of pine and bark and natural forages... his count... went down to (5 eggs) 125 EPG in a short time.
Imagine- all natural!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing the info!

x2
Your welcome

 

[PotterWatch]

I appreciate the information as well! Herbal wormers tend to work not by killing the worms, but by making the gut an inhospitable environment for the worms. There isn't a question of "resistance" because that isn't how the wormer works. I wonder if this is the same...?

I agree that people who seem offended by the very idea of holistic or natural care probably shouldn't bother coming to this section.

 

[bonbean01]

I also appreciate the info and thank you for sharing it with us! But then anyone who knows me at all, knows I prefer to go as organic as possible ... for the critters and humans

I believe people who do not believe in any organic animal husbandry come to this thread to argue...whatever floats their boats I guess