Watery Poo

[warthog]

Monday morning 6am out to feed animals, found watery poo in goat pen OH NO!!!

No I am not going to panic, check the goats and found little Chops, 10 weeks old and 40lb+ with the remains all over his backside and legs. He was eating jumping around and playing as normal, apart from his dirty backside you wouldn't have known anything was wrong.
Still not going to panic.

Gave him baking soda, cleaned both him and shed.

I figured it was probably dietary, his dam is weaning him and he was out in the bush on Sunday and probably gorged himself on something.

I got Hubby to go into town and check with the vet, whose advice was yes to medicate him, but this is Belize the only bottle of animal medication she had was out of date, so she gave us a bottle for humans.

Well it seems like it worked a dream, after the first dose, no more wet sloppy poo.

This is what she gave me

Trimetoprima Sulfa.

Doseage: 8ml (that works out to 2ml per pound of body weight) every 12 hours for 4 days.

She also said to make sure he was drinking plenty, this is the recipe she gave me:

to each litre of water add 1tsp of salt and 6tsp of sugar.

Wow do the goats like this, I drenched him with some then filled up the water buckets with this mix. They have several bucket all 1 gallon size.

As soon as I had filled all the buckets up with this mix, one of the does came along, had a little sip, sort of smacked her lips and contiued to drink, when she had finished there was about an inch left in the bucket.

It was quite interesting to note that yesterday everytime I saw chops try to suckle Pepper would just walk away, she would not let him have any milk.

This morning he went to suckle, she took a smell at his backside and them let him have some milk, all the time she was smelling at his backside.

It seemed to me that yesterday, she probably knew it was not good to let him have any milk. Today she realised that he would be OK, and smelling his backside just to make sure.

These animals sure are clever.

Two more days of medication, but I am hopeful that there will be no problems.

Just thought I would post this to put the information out there.

 

[glenolam]

Glad to hear he's doing better. You're probably right in thinking he gorged on something he wasn't used to!

 

[cmjust0]

This is what she gave me

Trimetoprima Sulfa.

Sounds very much like sulfamethoxazole/trimothoprim...SMZ-TMP.
That's an excellent choice for a kid that age with scours.

Doseage: 8ml (that works out to 2ml per pound of body weight) every 12 hours for 4 days.

40lbs/8ml = 1ml/5lbs.

Does the medication list how much of each ingredient is in each ML of the suspension, by any chance?

It was quite interesting to note that yesterday everytime I saw chops try to suckle Pepper would just walk away, she would not let him have any milk.

This morning he went to suckle, she took a smell at his backside and them let him have some milk, all the time she was smelling at his backside.

It seemed to me that yesterday, she probably knew it was not good to let him have any milk. Today she realised that he would be OK, and smelling his backside just to make sure.

That IS really interesting.. Good observation!

 

[warthog]

CM Your doseage calculaltions are correct, I obviously have lost the plot

The ingredients listed per 100ml are:

Trimetoprima 0.8g
Sulfamethoxazol 4.0g

The label is in Spanish, so I guess that accounts for the difference in spelling.

Today Chops was back to poo berries and he has one more day of medication so

CM you seem to have so much knowledge about goats, have you ever thought of becoming a Vet and specialising in goats?

 

[PJisaMom]

CM you seem to have so much knowledge about goats, have you ever thought of becoming a Vet and specialising in goats?

Gee, CM... where have ya heard that one recently???

Anyone else want to join the petition?

 

[cmjust0]

CM Your doseage calculaltions are correct, I obviously have lost the plot

The ingredients listed per 100ml are:

Trimetoprima 0.8g
Sulfamethoxazol 4.0g

ok, to that's 8mg TMP and 40mg SMZ per ml, and you're on a total of 16ml/day...which is 128mg TMP and 640mg SMZ..

Based on the dosages I've seen -- and dosage info on SMZ-TMP is sketchy at best -- that would seem to be in the right ballpark.

I like your vet.

CM you seem to have so much knowledge about goats, have you ever thought of becoming a Vet and specialising in goats?

Only on days that end with "y".

 

[warthog]

Only on days that end with a 'y'

So what you waiting for

Well sad to say, this morning more watery poo, sent hubby back to the vet with the history of the last few days.

What we are on now is, and these descriptions may be a bit patchy, she has written it all down for me and her handwriting is almost as bad as mine

Sulfate 1cc for the next 3 days.

Antilistre?? could even say Antibiotic not sure 1.5cc today only.

Yaltren 2cc to be given tomorrow morning.

I have googled all these but with the exception of Yaltren, which is said to be used to treat amoebic (sp) dysantry, I have not had much luck.

All IM, oh do I hate IM my stomach get butterflys, but it's done.

He's really not himself today, very quiet, not eating, but does try to suckle from Pepper, she will not let him. I am going to have to milk her out or she is going to have problems.

I have also given him a baking soda ball as a precaution.

Massaged his tummy, given him a good cleaning up and brushing.

As soon as I turned my back to leave, there was a loud burrrrrrrp, but I don't know if it was him or Pepper.

Little concerned he does not appear to be eating. The gate to the bush is open and he can get out if he wishes, I have also put leaves in the pen and he has access to hay. I am going to leave him off his grain this evening.

Not seen anymore signs of watery poo since I gave him his medication.

With regards the medication, I will get more info from the Vet on Saturday, or before if I need to go in again.

Any thoughts or suggestions are always appreciated.

I am still not stressing, but getting a little concerned.

 

[cmjust0]

Describe the nature of the scour...you say "watery" but that means different things to different people.

To me, "watery" means dirty water...dysentary...when I think of watery scour, my mind goes back to when we had sick does who squatted to pee and made TWO yellow streams.

So, is that what's meant by "watery"?...or is it just very liquid?

What color is it? Green, brown, black, etc..? Is is particularly foul, in terms of odor? Any blood in it? Excessively mucousy?

Also, is he running a fever right now?

I can't remember if you said whether or not you could get vaccines for goats where you lived...has he had a C/D-T vaccination?


Oh, and if she's talking about the SMZ/TMP liquid she gave you before...gonna take more than 1cc/day if this is coccidiosis or a bacterial dysentary. Since he seems to be relapsing, I'd be going more like 10-12ml, and I'd probably jack it up to TWICE a day for about a week..

Also, if this is truly a really bad watery scour...watch for dehydration. Pinch his *upper* eyelid between your fingers to check for dehydration; if it 'tents' for a second, he's dehydrated; if it snaps back into place right away, he's probably OK.

If you suspect he's dehydrated, drench him with electrolyte solution until he'd rather choke than swallow another drop. Then give him a few hours to recover from that and do it again. And keep doing it. Do it until you can't catch him anymore.

If you can't get a commercial electrolyte powder, a recipe I've seen referenced a few times is:

2 tsp Table salt
1 tsp Baking soda
8 tbsp white corn syrup
1 gallon Warm water

 

[warthog]

Watery = runny, run down legs, consistency of thin cream.

Colour = very light brown sort of beige.

No mucous, No blood.

Odour = yes smelly, I would describe it like when you wonder where that smell is coming from and realise you have something nasty on your shoe.

Temperature = no fever temp OK.

Vaccinations = not in Belize, so no C/D-T shots.

Sulfate, he's now off SMZ/TMP, this is an IM injectable sulfate.

Pinched his eyelids, no signs of dehydration, but given him an electrolyte solution anyway, figure it can't do any harm (we can get electrolytes here).

Catch him - the poor little thing is now terrified of me, he just runs when he hears me open the gate. 4 days of squirting stuff down his throat, now 2 IM injections, drenched with salt, sugar water solution and now electrolytes, enough to terrify anyone.

After having given him is electrolytes, he had a poo, it is now thick enough to form and hold shape when it's hits the floor, still the same colour, but that must be an improvement.

Will keep up the medication given by the vet and the electrolytes and get back to the vet if need be.

I must get something to eat, not eaten all day, looking after this little imp.

Don't suppose I will get much sleep tonight either, but there you go.

Thanks for all your help and advice it is certainly appreciated.

I was serious about the vet thing by the way.

 

[PJisaMom]

I hope your little guy is getting better! Keep us posted!

I was serious about the vet thing by the way.

Aren't we all?