Another doe with scours...already lost one.

[trestlecreek]

No, they suture what is left of the penis to the new opening below the anal open, but that is it.
Yes, they can dribble as long as a stricture does not form, or swelling/pain can also compromise the animals ability to go, etc...
A catheter would keep it patent while everything else around it healed. Major arteries verse and lead into that area, so breeding is another consideration.
Yes, it is a major surgery, you can't just cut the penis off and expect the animal to go running across the field. It hurts, there is swelling and the animal has to adjust to the procedure. It sounds and seems simple, but it is not.

 

[cmjust0]

I'm really sorry to hear about how this all went down, trestle..

If you don't wanna talk about it anymore, I'll understand, but...do you happen to know if the new opening was created above or below the sigmoid flexure?

If it was created below, a catheter may not have been an option.. Indeed, I think trying to run a catheter through the sigmoid flexure is why my UC buckling still dribbles to this day.

 

[cmjust0]

Our doe made perfect pellets yesterday afternoon...then loosened up again last night.. Not runny, but more like mucousy pellet clumps. :/

She had her head buried in the hay rack and was flat-out chowing down when we noticed a little bit of 'residue' around the hairless areas.. I had a two shots of Naxcel left, and she's only been without it for a day...so I gave her one shot last night, and she'll get the last today. Just in case, I guess..

My gut tells me that she's still just getting everything worked out, and that what we're seeing is just the aftermath of a pretty dang bad bacterial gut infection. When she was turned back out Friday, she hadn't eaten very much at all for two days and had been on enough antibiotic to help her kick the illness...her rumen was probably like brand-new.

I checked on her this morning and she was up eating. No evidence of any severe scouring, so I gave her some probios and threw more hay...which she dove right into.

I keep telling myself...she's been through a lot...she's been through a lot...she's been through a lot...and I try not to freak out..

It's hard, though. We're keeping an eye on her to make sure she doesn't slide back downhill on us..

ETA -- We probios'd her a couple times throughout the whole ordeal and I'm sure the meds didn't kill everything, so it's not like she was tabula rasa when we turned her back out....but still. With that much antibiotic and that little food, I would imagine her guts weren't in super shape for breaking down a bunch of forage all of a sudden..

 

[cmjust0]

Doe seems pretty fine so far today.. My wife actually went down and checked on them again last night after I went to bed and said she saw her poo what appeared to be pretty good pellets. Guessing it's just a matter of getting her gut back on track after the wrecking ball of infection and subsequent treatment.

Talked to the vet tech again.. She's getting me a vial of Naxcel to keep on hand, just in case.. I had thought about Baytril, but it's WAY expensive and I can always freeze the Naxcel if and when I need to mix it all up. That'll work OK.

She got a fax from the diagnostic lab, too...get this..

No pathogens were cultured.

None. Zip, zilch, nada.. I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure they'd culture something like a pathogenic e.coli or some wicked badass strain of salmonella, but nope.. It only grew normal gut bacteria. According to the tech, that doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a pathogen...just that it wasn't present in that particular sample..

Or maybe it's something they don't normally culture...like bacillus hellfiris demonii.

Ok, I made that up, but.. ..you guys know what I mean.

 

[trestlecreek]

It was cut above the sigmoid flexure.

Good news to hear your doe is better, sorry to hear the culture was neg. Knowing what is going wrong sure would be helpful.

 

[ksalvagno]

If you get Excenel, it can just be stored in the cupboard. It is the same as Naxcel. I keep Excenel and Exceed (long acting Naxcel) in my cupboard.

 

[cmjust0]

I'll ask about Excenel.. Looks like Jeffers has 100ml vials for about $75, and I'm about to pay $30 for 20ml of Naxcel. :/

Of course, the vet may want $200 for a vial of Excenel and I can't exactly order Rx items from Jeffers, soooooo....I'm pretty much at the vet's mercy here..



They're usually pretty fair, though, and I can pretty much get whatever I want.

 

[ksalvagno]

I can tell you that Exceed costs about $200. I haven't had to buy Excenel for a while so I can't remember what that cost me.

 

[cmjust0]

My vet doesn't carry Excenel.. They said they could get it for me, but I'll have to talk to one of the techs today to see about prices.

 

[ksalvagno]

For me it is worth it to have. I used to keep Naxcel and it was such a pain to have to freeze what you didn't use and then it was only good for a year. Plus I would freeze it in shots and you never need the same amount of it so a lot got wasted. Both my vets carry Excenel now because almost everyone wants that one instead of Naxcel.