Boer goat question

[Roll farms]

Well, here's my take on line / inbreeding.

I will breed father to daughter b/c the daughter will have her dam's different genetic makeup to help 'water down' the inbreeding.
I would NOT breed the offspring from those two back to either parent, that would make them parents and grandparents to the next offspring.

I will breed half siblings, again b/c they have the other parent's genes added to the mix.
I would NOT breed their offspring back to either parent b/c that's also their aunt / uncle as well as parent....too much similar blood at that point.

I would NOT breed litter-mate siblings (same parents) because there isn't enough different genetic back ground.

Here is a line breeding I've planned for next year, Doodlebug will be bred back to her sire, Chaos. These are Nubians, but the concept is the same regardless of breed.

J2K CAPRAIO CONQUEST OF CHAOS (10.4% inbred)
x ROLL FARMS DOODLE BUG - (1.4% inbred)
offspring will be
32.04% Inbred


Top 10 Individual Contributors to Inbreeding %

Registered Name Reg # Inbreeding %
J2K CAPRAIO CONQUEST OF CHAOS N001454061 12.50
CHATEAU BRIANT'S HERO CONQUEST N001295855 3.80
J2K CAPRAIO CHATTANOOGIE N001333549 3.31
AMBERWOOD VIKING'S HERO N000561590 1.94
HALLCIENDA FROSTY MARVIN N000181594 1.88
J2K ZOE'S COPPER N001260267 0.83
CHATEAU BRIANT'S GLORIANE N001054986 0.80
KISMET SINATRA N001297078 0.78
AMBERWOOD'S FROSTY VALENTINE N000422255 0.58
WEE 3 R VIKING SUN N000500844 0.43

I will NOT breed the offspring from these two back to either parent, although some breeders take it further. Around 30-35% is as 'inbred' as I'll go.

AND...if they're kids turn out to be bow legged freaks, I'll call it inbreeding....

 

[()relics]

I knew I should have paid more attention in school durring biology class.....I have no idea how to figure any of this out...thats is why I have to keep soooo many different billies...I never breed anything that is remotely related to each other...just because I'm never sure what I can and can't breed....So I don't...I keep 1 billy with every group of does and phase the billy out when I have too many does that I can't breed to him.....somewhere I saw a chart one time something to do with drawing triangles in the pedigrees of the sire and dam of a potential kid....kind of vague beyond that

 

[RockyToggRanch]

Flashback to my grandma trying to explain my " 2nd cousin once returned." yikes.

 

[Roll farms]

It is confusing, isn't it?

That "Frosty Marvin" listed in the contributors list is estimated to be related to 40% of all registered Nubians today, his frozen semen was used EVERYWHERE....He's got over 500 kids registered and he died in 1982.... and there are still kids being registered to him b/c of AI.

 

[RockyToggRanch]

That's what I call a "frosty marvin".....

 

[countrywife]

Ya'll are too cute.

My take on the billy- buy the best one you can afford, but don't get caught up in all the hype. When we started this 7 years ago, a $1,000.00 boar buck was not unheard of. Most I ever paid was $250.00, and he gave me nothing. Had a billy last year that I got one kid off of, and then he died. Remember, these things are animals, and animals die, for a variety of reasons. So, if you want to go the thousands of dollars for a line way, go right ahead, but realize, that its not always about how much you pay for something. Some of the best girls I ever got I paid 75.00 each for, from a sweet old man who sold goats. 5 years later and they still produce gorgeous kids for me.

As far as line breeding - whatever you want is fine. I prefer to change my buck every year or two, just to be safe. But I also don't seperate my bucks, I leave them in the field all year. Its more of a hobby for us than a business. So, before you decide anything, like another poster said, decide what your ultimate goal is, then the rest will fall into line.

On a side note, my son's middle name is Daniel, to which his sister irritates him endlessly by calling him Danielle. Oh yea, he deserves it, she is the little sister.

 

[Mugen]

Most of what you've said is correct. My el cheapo billy works his magic like a champ.

 

[RockyToggRanch]

Is there any reason I shouldn't keep a boer buck with my togg buck?

 

[RockyToggRanch]

Okay...dilema..
I can buy this registered doe who is bred to the hulk buck....or...3 unregistered does (one is 100% 2 are 50%) AND a 75% buck, for the same price...

 

[()relics]

Herd goal???? without paper work the unregistered animals are considered grade does and the billy should have been wethered...JMO...naturally your decision should be based on the animals taken singly not as a "package deal"....No one will tell you to buy anything, registered/unregistered, without a "hands on" session with each animal...You have to first have a herd goal in place then go to look at only animals that fit into your plan...When you look at a prospective animal look at its structure,condition,moblility,coat,teeth,udder,basically the entire animal, with not only your eyes but with your hands as well...Buy the best animal you can afford that fits into your plan...I wouldn't suggest buying a group of does because someone told you its a good deal...sounds like an auction barn...Important: ask the owner to look at any records he may have about pertaining to the particular animal, verbal records aren't too believable, ask if he owns the dam/sire/siblings of the animal....an honest seller will tell you what he has and show you what you ask for....So what's your herd goal?