Clover's Kidding Thread :D

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These babies are too cute for words. I'm with @Latestarter it's gonna be really hard to part with any of the many babies we hope to start having in the near future. Hoping for first babies by fall, but we'll see. I am a sucker for babies, and everyone knows goatie babies are the cutest.

On the worming front, I do use DE (food grade, NEVER the pool stuff-it is FATAL if inhaled), and I think it's great, though admittedly it is EARLY for me to give a true ruling. However, even if one is fairly certain parasites are under control, fecals are a MUST. I have not done fecals on my boys, yet, only because they are just 6 mos and have shown no signs. Before breeding begins in March, they WILL have fecals run and even though I prefer natural stuff to chemicals, I am no fool. Sometimes, chemicals are a must. With DH's MS, my hypothyroidism, diabetes, rheumatoid AND osteo- arthritis, and bursitis, UGH, I certainly recognize the importance of BOTH the natural and the chemical. No one should be so stubborn as to endanger himself or his animals JUST for the sake of keeping things all natural. Remember, apparently Luke, the disciple, was a doctor. I never heard of Jesus telling him not to continue practicing medicine. He simply taught him ANOTHER way to heal. I believe one of Jesus' primary teachings was moderation in all things, there is a time and a place for almost everything. Sometimes the natural, sometimes the miraculous. We should always listen to WISDOM.

Sorry for the soapbox.:duc:hide :love

edited to correct typo: "to" changed to "too" This is one of my pet peeves. Sorry all.

p.s. - @Southern by choice & @Goat Whisperer, I am certain of worming efficacy of DE on non-ruminants (i.e. - dogs and cats) and appreciate the seeming improvement in skin & hair health in all pets, but do not mean to imply worm-free goaties. As I said, I will be doing fecals in March (timing is a budget thing). If necessary, I will use wormers as suggested by the vet, I do not intend to turn a blind eye to worm problems whether or not I use DE or anything else. Our babies are too important. I am fully prepared to believe that DE is not effective as a wormer in ruminants, since there seems to be little or no supporting evidence. That doesn't mean I'm done with it altogether, I like it for other stuff (mostly environmental pests).
 
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These babies are to cute for words. I'm with @Latestarter it's gonna be really hard to part with any of the many babies we hope to start having in the near future. Hoping for first babies by fall, but we'll see. I am a sucker for babies, and everyone knows goatie babies are the cutest.

On the worming front, I do use DE (food grade, NEVER the pool stuff-it is FATAL if inhaled), and I think it's great, though admittedly it is EARLY for me to give a true ruling. However, even if one is fairly certain parasites are under control, fecals are a MUST. I have not done fecals on my boys, yet, only because they are just 6 mos and have shown no signs. Before breeding begins in March, they WILL have fecals run and even though I prefer natural stuff to chemicals, I am no fool. Sometimes, chemicals are a must. With DH's MS, my hypothyroidism, diabetes, rheumatoid AND osteo- arthritis, and bursitis, UGH, I certainly recognize the importance of BOTH the natural and the chemical. No one should be so stubborn as to endanger himself or his animals JUST for the sake of keeping things all natural. Remember, apparently Luke, the disciple, was a doctor. I never heard of Jesus telling him not to continue practicing medicine. He simply taught him ANOTHER way to heal. I believe one of Jesus' primary teachings was moderation in all things, there is a time and a place for almost everything. Sometimes the natural, sometimes the miraculous. We should always listen to WISDOM.

Sorry for the soapbox.:duc:hide :love

How do you know if the DE works if you are not getting fecal egg counts? Have you seen this thread? I have seen too many goats die or severely anemic because people use the DE, it is not a dewormer. There are other ways to help with parasites but unfortunately DE is not one of them.

http://www.backyardherds.com/threads/diatomaceous-earth-parasite-control.32666/
 

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These babies are to cute for words. I'm with @Latestarter it's gonna be really hard to part with any of the many babies we hope to start having in the near future. Hoping for first babies by fall, but we'll see. I am a sucker for babies, and everyone knows goatie babies are the cutest.

On the worming front, I do use DE (food grade, NEVER the pool stuff-it is FATAL if inhaled), and I think it's great, though admittedly it is EARLY for me to give a true ruling. However, even if one is fairly certain parasites are under control, fecals are a MUST. I have not done fecals on my boys, yet, only because they are just 6 mos and have shown no signs. Before breeding begins in March, they WILL have fecals run and even though I prefer natural stuff to chemicals, I am no fool. Sometimes, chemicals are a must. With DH's MS, my hypothyroidism, diabetes, rheumatoid AND osteo- arthritis, and bursitis, UGH, I certainly recognize the importance of BOTH the natural and the chemical. No one should be so stubborn as to endanger himself or his animals JUST for the sake of keeping things all natural. Remember, apparently Luke, the disciple, was a doctor. I never heard of Jesus telling him not to continue practicing medicine. He simply taught him ANOTHER way to heal. I believe one of Jesus' primary teachings was moderation in all things, there is a time and a place for almost everything. Sometimes the natural, sometimes the miraculous. We should always listen to WISDOM.

Sorry for the soapbox.:duc:hide :love

I believe in the word and there are many properties in nature that heal, strengthen , and bring health. On the flip side the data is not there for DE. There are many "natural" remedies that can actually be far more toxic than synthetic versions.

Permethrin and Pyrethrin is one example.
Neem Oil is another... can cause infertility.
Clove Oil can be toxic and deadly and there is a small margin of error.

Not sure if you saw this or not... I posted it last night. Our extension services have been getting a lot of calls about the use of DE. They posted this recent article.
http://www.backyardherds.com/threads/diatomaceous-earth-parasite-control.32666/
 

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I milked Clover for the first time this morning. :)

Yesterday the doelings were two weeks old, and so last night I locked them up as usual except without Clover.
Clover went around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around (too many arounds? :plbb) the goat house for a little while mawing for them (Lulu and Annie were mehing too, but not as much), but then I went inside our house, so I don't know how long it took for her to settle down.
This morning when I milked her I hobbled her legs with a sheep rope halter in case she kicked or put her hoof in the milk bucket. :mad: She did neither, and stayed still while I cleaned her teats and when I milked her she didn't lift a leg, but she did squat slightly.

I got almost two cups from her, but I didn't milk her out completely, I wanted to leave some for her kids. :oops: And she wasn't letting down very well after that (I know that cows can hold up milk, but can goats?).

Lulu and Annie are scheduled to be dis-budded on Saturday. Yes, they will be 17 days old, but the vet said it's fine as long as the horn buds haven't broken through the skin yet. What do y'all think?
 

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Aw Clover was a good girl! :) Many goats squat a little and spread... it is funny , those are the ones that try to help and make it easy for you to milk. I love goats that help out.

Yes, goats can also hold their milk. Some are real bratty too.:D

17 days:ep wow.... breaking through means it has already attached, but they can attach well before they broke through.
to disbud means to burn the bud before it attaches.
 

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This morning I got 2 1/3 cups of milk from Clover. :weee I know it's not that much, but it's more then I got yesterday!

I hobbled her again today, but apparently it didn't work that well as she almost got her dirty hoof in the bucket. :mad:
 

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So I just ran a fecal on Clover, and I can see an abundance of parasite(?) eggs in the sample. :barnie Too many for me to count. I should worm her now, right? I have a natural wormer called Molly's Herbal Wormer, or something like that. :confused: I don't have anything else at the moment...

Also, do y'all know of any wormer that I can use in pregnant goats (Molly's HW isn't for use in pregnant goats)?

Thank you...
 

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I know that DE is not shown to work in goats but I usually keep it in their water 1-2 weeks out of the month, it helps keep parasites out of their water bucket anyways. I also use a different wormer I forgot the name... And there is a deworming feed that I know of. Not sure what other's thoughts are on it but it is specifically for goats.... I used it with my first two with success? No idea about it being ok for pregnant or nursing does. I also have an herbal from Firmeadows for worming, immune system and overall health that they get through really cold temps and throughout summer.
 
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