elderly goat-problems

[elevan]

I did some research on giving pour ons orally...and it turns out that almost all of them were originally tested orally and then as a pour on. In cattle it was found to be more effective when poured on.

Im gonna need to see some references on this, please. You're making it sound as if these meds could have gone either way -- either pour-on, or oral -- but simply tested to be more effective as pour-ons, and so they became pour-ons.. Sorry, but I'm having a *really* hard time swallowing the notion that any med formulated with 'Aromatic 100' or any other volatile hydrocarbon was *ever* intended for oral use.

Links, please.

Oh, and btw...I found an MSDS on Eprinex on Merial's australian website (pdf). I'll grant you that an MSDS is about risk to humans, but nonetheless, here's what it says about ingestion:

"INGESTION: If swallowed urgent hospital treatment is likely to be needed. Follow instruction of Poisons Information Centre. Medical observation for delayed symptoms needs to be carried out for up to 48 hours."

I'll see if I can't find the time to find the websites again...and I'll post the clinic trials notes for you...or just PM them to you as I agree that we really should keep the topic to what the OP asked.

 

[kstaven]

First off, the I'm right and you're wrong violates the forum rules. Secondly all anyone here can do is offer suggestions based on their experience and leave it for the OP to decide from there. If anyone wants to go beyond that I suggest they contact the OP personally, sign a contract for services rendered and accept liability for those actions.

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Like it or not people will offer suggestions based on their experiences that are counter to what some believe. That is the way of the world and this forum. This forum is not about defending ones way but about sharing their experiences.

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[cmjust0]

Edited for Rule violations.

 

[Ariel301]

I've got a 10 year old LaMancha doe with similar symptoms. When I got her three years ago, her hair was thin all over and really flaky skin. Since getting her on good feed and minerals, it mostly cleared up, but she still has thin hair over her topline and in the winter time, the hair on the front of her face thins too. She doesn't have lice or mites (I even treated for them just to be sure, even though I did not see any). She gets free choice alfalfa hay and Purina Goat Mineral, and is given grain while she milks. She's otherwise healthy except for missing a few teeth, but that doesn't slow her down much at all. Could it just be an old age thing? My doe had a pretty hard life before I got her.

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

but as I said I've researched the Ivomec brand thoroughly. It was originally tested orally in rats, dogs and cattle and found to be the most effective externally in cattle and not really effective for dogs...they tested safety margins in rats when given orally and found them to be moderately high.

Just to clarify, are you saying Ivomec pour-on is ineffective when given to dogs? Ivermectin is the drug used in heartworm preventatives and is highly effective. We use Ivomec injectable given orally as heartworm preventative. I wouldn't use pour-on for my dogs obviously, but just wanted to clarify that ivermectin is the standard heartworm preventative.

 

[cmjust0]

but as I said I've researched the Ivomec brand thoroughly. It was originally tested orally in rats, dogs and cattle and found to be the most effective externally in cattle and not really effective for dogs...they tested safety margins in rats when given orally and found them to be moderately high.

Just to clarify, are you saying Ivomec pour-on is ineffective when given to dogs? Ivermectin is the drug used in heartworm preventatives and is highly effective. We use Ivomec injectable given orally as heartworm preventative. I wouldn't use pour-on for my dogs obviously, but just wanted to clarify that ivermectin is the standard heartworm preventative.

We had a chow mix when I was a kid...ok, well, he wasn't technically ours but he basically decided to live at our house and his "owners" didn't seem to care one way or the other...and he ended up with the dreaded sarcoptic mange.. After several topical treatments (shampoos, ointments, etc) failed, he got several rounds of injectable ivermectin for cattle...at the vet!

Took several rounds and a lot of time to heal and grow his fur back out, but it worked like a champ.

 

[20kidsonhill]

Warning: to anyone reading this, you can not give Collies or Collie mixes ivermectin. Not all heartworm medicine brands contain ivermectin.

 

[redtailgal]

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[cmjust0]

Warning: to anyone reading this, you can not give Collies or Collie mixes ivermectin. Not all heartworm medicine brands contain ivermectin.

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And that includes Border Collies, Australian shepherds, Shelties, etc. as well... An old adage vets use is "White feet, don't treat." Of course, ivermectin sensitivity doesn't actually have anything to do with an individual dog's particular foot color... It's more of a 'breed-standard warning', for lack of a better phrase.. In other words, if a given breed of dog typically has white feet, it's unwise to use ivermectin on it.

 

[elevan]

but as I said I've researched the Ivomec brand thoroughly. It was originally tested orally in rats, dogs and cattle and found to be the most effective externally in cattle and not really effective for dogs...they tested safety margins in rats when given orally and found them to be moderately high.

Just to clarify, are you saying Ivomec pour-on is ineffective when given to dogs? Ivermectin is the drug used in heartworm preventatives and is highly effective. We use Ivomec injectable given orally as heartworm preventative. I wouldn't use pour-on for my dogs obviously, but just wanted to clarify that ivermectin is the standard heartworm preventative.

According to the study I read...for the purposes it was being considered for in the study (which was not heartworm).

I DO understand that ivermectin is the standard for heartworm prevention BUT that was not what was being studied in the clinical trial.