gelding with issues...........

[goodhors]

I would also like to add that the changed stabling, with OTHER horses, is going to make a BIG difference in his reactions and carrying on vocally. He has gone from an "only horse" to being in a herd, has attached himself emotionally to the mares. I see this often, at Trail rides, and it is hard to deal with.

I agree that the attempts to put tack on could be the handling, not what horse is used to. Could also be that horse KNOWS he will be leaving "his herd girls" when saddled and gets quite anxious about it, to the point of being uncooperative. Doesn't matter how he was at home, in new place things are different, and he will react differently to them. He is probably herd bound at this point, may take more of an experienced handler than OP is to manage the problem.

A suggestion would be to use a mechanical hackamore so he doesn't need to open mouth, see how he rides off for you then. Be prepared for some bouncing around if he is really resistant to the idea of leaving.

A truly proud-cut horse can be determined with a test by the Vet for testosterone, as would be produced by a retained testicle. Horse would probably be much more stallion-like, endeavoring to breed the mares, if he had a retained testicle. Such a problem can cause cancers in the horse, probably would need surgery to remove in a clinic setting.

From the written material, sounds like horse is trying to fit in, but confused and really attached to the mares after his previous life alone. Changed handling has added to the problem, he is confused and resistant to the new folks desires. The very stocky built animals, short neck, easy keeper types are often called proud-cut when they are just carrying too much weight.

 

[apdan]

good morning all..... so went out last night and tried everything that you guys have said, did things the way that his owner used to and he still will not take the bit and so I took my mare out for a ride only and again he stood there and screamed and screamed and then when I put her back in the pen he ran right over neck arched and grunted and snorted at her and nipped some she let out a huge squeal again and he then walked away.

He knows that he is not going out alone, when we saddle them up they are tied to the trailer by each other and we can saddle him and get him ready to go but he will not let us put his bit in. we can use our hands all over his mouth and check it out but when we get the bit out he will not let us do it. I used to ride with his owner and him all the time and have tacked him up before, before I moved we used to be neighbors. I am not doing anything different and out of his order.

So this is just an update but as off right now I am just awaiting confirmation from his owner that her parents still have his pen up and he will be going back home....

 

[ducks4you]

I WAS just going to send off a PM to APDAN, but I decided to post. 1,000 pounds of

stood there and screamed and screamed and then when I put her back in the pen he ran right over neck arched and grunted and snorted at her

is NOT safe for any person to be around. I HAVE bought a horse who lived without any other horses around, before. She was very well mannered. DH even rode her into a buffalo herd in SD and she calmly took care of him.
Please STOP making excuses for bad horse behavior!! I do NOT want to be responsible for giving advice that got somebody hurt.

They say that people who are trained to recognize forged currency study the real deal ONLY. You know good animal behavior when you see it. You gut tells you it's wrong when you see misbehavior. But, if you don't really know, please go to some horse shows--ANY discipline, and talk to the judges. They will be happy to tell you.

There are WWAAAAYYYY too many horses out there for the people willing and able to buy and keep them. I am very sorry, but it is the truth. In this market, there are people willing to GIVE you their badly trained, misbehaving horse. I looked for a year and saw quite a few--even got on one that I should not have and was thrown--fortunately I try new horses without stirrups.
I was thinking about this when I took a CPR refresher course last night. The teacher reminded all of us that we needed to be sure that "the scene is safe" so that we, as first responders don't become the 2nd victim who is unresponsive. I cannot retrain a horse WORTH retraining, if another horse, a dangerous horse, disables me.

 

[apdan]

So just an update........... The gelding is being returned home tonight.

 

[w c]

No, I don't think he's 'proud cut'. And I don't think mamy ever were proud cut at all. It was just something people would say if a gelding was talkative and acted like a stallion. Someone would have to be pretty thick in la cabeza to leave part of a...ah...they would have to be pretty thick in the head, and it's hard to miss.

Fact is, geldings just - vary. You don't seem to get along with the horse or like him. He probably could be gotten to work out alright with a little effort.