Goat diet in late pregnancy- How do you prevent hypocalcemia?

[CJ.]

Thank you for your post! I'm so sorry about your does.

Did you know you can use Safeguard instead of Valbazen and it is safe for pregnant does?

And you say pour on blue ivermectin- do you mean Cydectin? Ivermectin is clear. Do you give it orally?

Thank you. I use only Valbazen as never had a problem with over the 14 years I've tended goats of mine and 3 other ranches/farms. When first starting out-I learned quite a bit by the seat of my breeches. Not being a computer person, (then nor now), I made a lot of calls, wrote a lot of letters, spoke with a variety of many. Valbazen came recommended as the #1 white wormer, most effective tape wormer on the market. This from research and vet universities as two examples, as well as my personal experience. But one needs to know how to use correctly not only for infestation, but preventative too, to be effective. The only wormy goats I experience is others. I use safely for my goats, calves, dogs and cats. Horses got their own. I give 1 dose in March and in April as preventative treatment, rarely give a fall dose unless have adopted or taken in a rescue goat, dog, cat. In severely infested goats, it is not the wormer per se that will kill the goat, it is the elimination of worms. Full of active worms the goat feels full and eats, drinks less while the worms get all the nutritional benefits. Once the worms begin to eliminate the goat's body realizes it is severely emaciated/starved and dehydrated and she more than likely will die; several I have seen within 4 hours of worming with recommended normal dose.
I use the Ivermectin Blue Pour-On, (which was originally manufactured for dogs and is primary ingredient in heartworm meds). Caution with this as since it is absorbed into body-too much/too often will burn the animal's insides. I use on my aforementioned,except cats, twice a year (early spring, fall) as a preventative treatment.
I began use of Cydectin (moxidectin) Oral Drench for Sheep when I adopted a couple of goats and took in some orphans that were losing patches of hair (that I learned was) caused by Barber Pole worms, highly contagious, eating a goat alive from the inside out. This recommended as the most effective-fast acting treatment for this worm; used once a year in the spring if overly rainy and goats were exposed to. Again, extreme caution when using as too much will kill the goat also. You must know goat's weight to administer proper dose.
I try to convey only that which I have personally experienced, done and used successfully and why. I do not intend to come off as a 'know it all' nor tell anyone what they should do or use. What goats here in SE. Okla. near Ark. line are subject to, (including some people), will be different elsewhere. I go to/assess goats, environmental and seasonal conditions first before meds, antibiotics. For example, here we have Selenium poor soil which adversely affects grazing nutrition-health-for both cattle and goats and the survival rate of pre-post born and young. One lesson goats taught me early on is just because the tail is up today does not always indicate your goat is healthy, well and happy because tomorrow it maybe down and your goat too. Also, that a goat needs a hug too; mine demand it.

 

[CJ.]

Thank you for your post! I'm so sorry about your does.

Did you know you can use Safeguard instead of Valbazen and it is safe for pregnant does?

And you say pour on blue ivermectin- do you mean Cydectin? Ivermectin is clear. Do you give it orally?

Thank you. I use only Valbazen as never had a problem with over the 14 years I've tended goats of mine and 3 other ranches/farms. When first starting out-I learned quite a bit by the seat of my breeches. Not being a computer person, (then nor now), I made a lot of calls, wrote a lot of letters, spoke with a variety of many. Valbazen came recommended as the #1 white wormer, most effective tape wormer on the market. This from research and vet universities as two examples, as well as my personal experience. But one needs to know how to use correctly not only for infestation, but preventative too, to be effective. The only wormy goats I experience is others. I use safely for my goats, calves, dogs and cats. Horses got their own. I give 1 dose in March and in April as preventative treatment, rarely give a fall dose unless have adopted or taken in a rescue goat, dog, cat. In severely infested goats, it is not the wormer per se that will kill the goat, it is the elimination of worms. Full of active worms the goat feels full and eats, drinks less while the worms get all the nutritional benefits. Once the worms begin to eliminate the goat's body realizes it is severely emaciated/starved and dehydrated and she more than likely will die; several I have seen within 4 hours of worming with recommended normal dose.
I use the Ivermectin Blue Pour-On, (which was originally manufactured for dogs and is primary ingredient in heartworm meds). Caution with this as since it is absorbed into body-too much/too often will burn the animal's insides. I use on my aforementioned,except cats, twice a year (early spring, fall) as a preventative treatment.
I began use of Cydectin (moxidectin) Oral Drench for Sheep when I adopted a couple of goats and took in some orphans that were losing patches of hair (that I learned was) caused by Barber Pole worms, highly contagious, eating a goat alive from the inside out. This recommended as the most effective-fast acting treatment for this worm; used once a year in the spring if overly rainy and goats were exposed to. Again, extreme caution when using as too much will kill the goat also. You must know goat's weight to administer proper dose.
I try to convey only that which I have personally experienced, done and used successfully and why. I do not intend to come off as a 'know it all' nor tell anyone what they should do or use. What goats here in SE. Okla. near Ark. line are subject to, (including some people), will be different elsewhere. I go to/assess goats, environmental and seasonal conditions first before meds, antibiotics. For example, here we have Selenium poor soil which adversely affects grazing nutrition-health-for both cattle and goats and the survival rate of pre-post born and young. One lesson goats taught me early on is just because the tail is up today does not always indicate your goat is healthy, well and happy because tomorrow it maybe down and your goat too. Also, that a goat needs a hug too; mine demand it.

 

[babsbag]

http://kinne.net/hypocal2.htm

Good reading

 

[Green Acres Farm]

http://kinne.net/hypocal2.htm

Good reading

Read through it last night. Was going to posted it here, too.

 

[Green Acres Farm]

Thank you. I use only Valbazen as never had a problem with over the 14 years I've tended goats of mine and 3 other ranches/farms. When first starting out-I learned quite a bit by the seat of my breeches. Not being a computer person, (then nor now), I made a lot of calls, wrote a lot of letters, spoke with a variety of many. Valbazen came recommended as the #1 white wormer, most effective tape wormer on the market. This from research and vet universities as two examples, as well as my personal experience. But one needs to know how to use correctly not only for infestation, but preventative too, to be effective. The only wormy goats I experience is others. I use safely for my goats, calves, dogs and cats. Horses got their own. I give 1 dose in March and in April as preventative treatment, rarely give a fall dose unless have adopted or taken in a rescue goat, dog, cat. In severely infested goats, it is not the wormer per se that will kill the goat, it is the elimination of worms. Full of active worms the goat feels full and eats, drinks less while the worms get all the nutritional benefits. Once the worms begin to eliminate the goat's body realizes it is severely emaciated/starved and dehydrated and she more than likely will die; several I have seen within 4 hours of worming with recommended normal dose.
I use the Ivermectin Blue Pour-On, (which was originally manufactured for dogs and is primary ingredient in heartworm meds). Caution with this as since it is absorbed into body-too much/too often will burn the animal's insides. I use on my aforementioned,except cats, twice a year (early spring, fall) as a preventative treatment.
I began use of Cydectin (moxidectin) Oral Drench for Sheep when I adopted a couple of goats and took in some orphans that were losing patches of hair (that I learned was) caused by Barber Pole worms, highly contagious, eating a goat alive from the inside out. This recommended as the most effective-fast acting treatment for this worm; used once a year in the spring if overly rainy and goats were exposed to. Again, extreme caution when using as too much will kill the goat also. You must know goat's weight to administer proper dose.
I try to convey only that which I have personally experienced, done and used successfully and why. I do not intend to come off as a 'know it all' nor tell anyone what they should do or use. What goats here in SE. Okla. near Ark. line are subject to, (including some people), will be different elsewhere. I go to/assess goats, environmental and seasonal conditions first before meds, antibiotics. For example, here we have Selenium poor soil which adversely affects grazing nutrition-health-for both cattle and goats and the survival rate of pre-post born and young. One lesson goats taught me early on is just because the tail is up today does not always indicate your goat is healthy, well and happy because tomorrow it maybe down and your goat too. Also, that a goat needs a hug too; mine demand it.

Why do you use the pour on as it is dangerous and often ineffective? Seems like that would lead to worm resistance as well... Oral deworming is MUCH more safe and effective as goats have very high metabolisms and the effective amount of dewormer needed does not reach the worm when using pour-ons. A lot of things that work for cattle do NOT work for goats.

Valbazen isn't dangerous because the worms detatch too quickly, if I remember right, as it does not kill blood sucking worms effectively. (I might be wrong) It is dangerous during pregnancy because it can cause abortions in does. Ivermectin/Cydectin kill the blood sucking barberpole, which can cause internal bleeding if treated during a severe infestation. That is why FAMACHA and fecal testing comes in handy, so you don't get to that point.

Actually, just remembered that Valbazen is labeled for liver flukes, so if it works, then that could definitely cause internal bleeding in a severe infestation. Not sure if Valbazen still works for barberpole...

Please correct me if I am wrong about any of this.