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[GoatCrazyLady]

Thank you for your help

 

[GoatCrazyLady]

So would I need to buy both pig iron and copasure? Anyone? Please! Did someone say you can get from health food store?

 

[20kidsonhill]

Pig iron is sold either at Jeffers or valleyvet on-line or some feed stores may carry it. If they are anemic(gums look white) and have bottle jaw, then pig iron would be the first thin that you would want to consider. or perhaps another form of iron would be Red cell for horses. REd cell for horses is given orally, pig iron is injected. The pig iron will work faster and better, because it is injected. Red cell for horses is also sold at your local feed stores, normally in a gallon, but I have seen it sold in smaller amounts.
Around $22.00 for a gallon of red cell, get the smaller bottle if they have it.
or get a 100 ml bottle of Iron Ferrous 100, which is the pig iron.

Copasure is copper oxide rods and they are given orally and lay in the stomach lining of the goat, Barberpole worms(heamonchous) do not like copper oxide and it will help some. But is not going to get rid of them completely.

How are they doing?
How are the treatments going?

Did you check their gums? Did they look anemic?

 

[GoatCrazyLady]

Pig iron is sold either at Jeffers or valleyvet on-line or some feed stores may carry it. If they are anemic(gums look white) and have bottle jaw, then pig iron would be the first thin that you would want to consider. or perhaps another form of iron would be Red cell for horses. REd cell for horses is given orally, pig iron is injected. The pig iron will work faster and better, because it is injected. Red cell for horses is also sold at your local feed stores, normally in a gallon, but I have seen it sold in smaller amounts.
Around $22.00 for a gallon of red cell, get the smaller bottle if they have it.
or get a 100 ml bottle of Iron Ferrous 100, which is the pig iron.

Copasure is copper oxide rods and they are given orally and lay in the stomach lining of the goat, Barberpole worms(heamonchous) do not like copper oxide and it will help some. But is not going to get rid of them completely.

How are they doing?
How are the treatments going?

Did you check their gums? Did they look anemic?

All are doing fine except for my alpine. He got it the worst! Face is swollen still but his berries are getting better, he is eating and drinking fine but can tell he's not his normal self. checked his gums and they look pink to me. I placed an order for the pig iron and copasure from the website u gave me and also vitamin B complex. I'm going to call the feed store and see if they carry the pig iron so I can give ASAP.

I can not thank you enough!

 

[GoatCrazyLady]

If his gums are not white do I still want to give the pig iron?

 

[20kidsonhill]

If his gums are not white do I still want to give the pig iron?

I have never had a goat with Bottle Jaw that wasn't very anemic. Are you sure he isn't anemic looking and you are just being confussed by skin pigmentation? Bottle Jaw is caused from anemia. Giving him 1 or 2 cc of pig iron isn't going to hurt anything if he isn't truely anemic. But I am a little confused why he would have bottle jaw.

It does take time for some of them to recover, that is why I suggest repeating treatment in 21 days . So the parasite doesn't take advantage of an already weakened animal.

 

[GoatCrazyLady]

Well, I could be very confused I suppose. I will give it when I get it then. I called my local L&M store and they do not carry either product. So I will try our local feed store tomorrow. Not very hopeful as they don't carry much. otherwise I will have to wait for the shipment. Oh... and I also ordered meds for doing the second round of treatments.

I just caught him playing with one of my other goats, I hope this is a good sign.

Does giving this copasure ( yearly ) help with the prevention of these parasites?

 

[20kidsonhill]

copasure normally given twice a year, and it may only help with the Haemonchous worm, probably doesn't do anything for coccidiosis. Although having enough copper in the animals system can help their immune system and therefor help them handle other parasite loads. I have read that a goat with adequate copper levels is almost immune to lice and mite infestations and wont have hoof rot problems. Copper can be overdosed, but copper oxide rods are a very slow way for copper to absorb. To truely increase copper levels in an animal copper sulfate needs to be used. It should be found in your loose goat minerals in adequate levels and copper sulfate is also in REd cell for horses. REd cell for horses should never be used on a regular basis. You will eventually overdose your goat on certain minerals.

Sheep are also sensitive to copper containing products, so goats housed with sheep need to be cared for differently.

 

[20kidsonhill]

None of it will be a cure, we do all of this and some years parasits are just worse than other years or time of year. Spring time is always tough for us, and a few days following a rain after a drought period can be tough. Like we don't get any rain in July for a montha and then get a couple days of rain. We wait a week and check the entire herd. There are always a couple if not more than a couple that will need to be wormed.

After a doe kids, or after a doe is weaned they have more stress in their life and may need to be checked a week to 10 days later for a worm load.

But we have found giving Copasure a couple times a year, One time right near the end of winter before it worms up for the spring and then one time middle of summer. Really has helped us.

 

[GoatCrazyLady]

Daunte, our alpine seems much better this evening. His swelling has gone down some and he is following me around again.

Also I gave the pig iron in the skin and not the muscle. Will this hurt anything? How and where do you give a shot in the muscle? Ugh!