Help!!! I am new to this forum and have a sick baby goat

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Hello, as you can see this is my first post here, I am new to this forum and to goats but not to animals. I have raised exotic animals all of my life, mostly I have kept wild cats like servals, caracals, leopard cats, although there were lots of other types of animals along the way. Right now because of health reasons I live in California (my animals were all in Florida in what seemed like a lifetime ago) and I only have a female serval back home as a pet.

Here is my problem, I live on a 2+ acre piece of property in the foothills near Lake Tahoe and I have an pen on a slope that is about an acre. I was looking for some brush and weed control for the hillside and an acquaintance put a pair of wild type (like I have seen feral populations in Hawaii or other islands but not a truly wild goat) goats in the pen to control the brush. The female gave birth to twins on Jan 12th and 4 days later began bleeding and before I could even get off the phone with a local vet died. Since them I have raised the twins myself and recently the male began having problems urinating. I was told this is because I fed them grains, I have a lot of faith in the person who I get advice from but we never discussed diet once they were off milk. His sister is doing fine, and I have switched to grass hay for now but he is having lots of trouble urinating and can only go in small dribbles to about 1/4 the amount the female goes. I give him lots of water and he is eating and drinking, but he is very uncomfortable and seems like he is depressed, he just tends to cry if I am around and just wants to be rubbed or sit on my lap, which is no longer easy as these are full sized goats with good sized horns even at this age!

Any advice on what I can do to get him to pee, these are not my goats and I am not working because of my illness so I don't want to spend a lot of money (I already paid for vets and vaccinations along with all of the milk, grain, and grass hay so far) but his comfort and health are important so I have to do something. Is there a treatment I can give him, something like vinegar in the water to lower the pH? I put a lot of salt out for him to lick so he is thirsty and it works, he drinks a lot of water, and I offer him warm water with a little bit of molasses in it every hour. He does produce urine and he tries to go frequently but more often then not it is just drips and dribbles rather then a steady stream.

What should I do at this point?
 

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philter4 said:
Hello, as you can see this is my first post here, I am new to this forum and to goats but not to animals. I have raised exotic animals all of my life, mostly I have kept wild cats like servals, caracals, leopard cats, although there were lots of other types of animals along the way. Right now because of health reasons I live in California (my animals were all in Florida in what seemed like a lifetime ago) and I only have a female serval back home as a pet.

Here is my problem, I live on a 2+ acre piece of property in the foothills near Lake Tahoe and I have an pen on a slope that is about an acre. I was looking for some brush and weed control for the hillside and an acquaintance put a pair of wild type (like I have seen feral populations in Hawaii or other islands but not a truly wild goat) goats in the pen to control the brush. The female gave birth to twins on Jan 12th and 4 days later began bleeding and before I could even get off the phone with a local vet died. Since them I have raised the twins myself and recently the male began having problems urinating. I was told this is because I fed them grains, I have a lot of faith in the person who I get advice from but we never discussed diet once they were off milk. His sister is doing fine, and I have switched to grass hay for now but he is having lots of trouble urinating and can only go in small dribbles to about 1/4 the amount the female goes. I give him lots of water and he is eating and drinking, but he is very uncomfortable and seems like he is depressed, he just tends to cry if I am around and just wants to be rubbed or sit on my lap, which is no longer easy as these are full sized goats with good sized horns even at this age!

Any advice on what I can do to get him to pee, these are not my goats and I am not working because of my illness so I don't want to spend a lot of money (I already paid for vets and vaccinations along with all of the milk, grain, and grass hay so far) but his comfort and health are important so I have to do something. Is there a treatment I can give him, something like vinegar in the water to lower the pH? I put a lot of salt out for him to lick so he is thirsty and it works, he drinks a lot of water, and I offer him warm water with a little bit of molasses in it every hour. He does produce urine and he tries to go frequently but more often then not it is just drips and dribbles rather then a steady stream.

What should I do at this point?
I would agree with the advice you were given about feeding grain. Grain feeding has a host of problems that we don't need to get into here. The crux of your problem is too much phosphorous to calcium. The bucklings body is trying to excrete out the extra phosphorous which will tend to clump into kidney stones. He will not be able to pass the stones on his own. The best bet at this point would be for a vet to remove the blockage from his urinary tract or he will die a slow and painful death from a ruptured bladder. We had this problem ourselves years ago when we were believers in grain feeding. We now only feed natural forages to our animals which is your safest bet. Unfortunately there is no cure for this other than removing the blockage. Best wishes.
 

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Take the salt away. You don't want to increase fluid consumption when the output (urine) isn't working right.

Remove the grain.

You are dealing with Urinary Calculi (UC) from the sound of things.

For treatment you either need Ammonium Chloride or Fruit Fresh (it's a fruit preservative found in your grocery store) or surgery.

Dosage for Fruit Fresh: Dissolve 2 T of fruit fresh in 2 oz of lemon juice and drench with it.

Here are a couple of threads to read through:

http://www.backyardherds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8738&p=1 (This turned out to be an infection but there is a lot of good info regarding UC here)

http://www.backyardherds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1539 (This was a case of UC and the goat was saved)
 

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Thank you both for the replies, and especially the links to the other threads, I don't know what "drench" is, what is it and how do I do it?
 

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philter4 said:
I don't know what "drench" is, what is it and how do I do it?
Drench means to "draw" a liquid up into a syringe (no needle) or a turkey baster or some similar device and drench (squirt) into the back of the goats mouth. You need to make sure that you have your "device" into the back of the goat's mouth so that you're squirting the liquid onto the back of their tongue so that they swallow.
 

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elevan said:
philter4 said:
I don't know what "drench" is, what is it and how do I do it?
Drench means to "draw" a liquid up into a syringe (no needle) or a turkey baster or some similar device and drench (squirt) into the back of the goats mouth. You need to make sure that you have your "device" into the back of the goat's mouth so that you're squirting the liquid onto the back of their tongue so that they swallow.
Thank you for the explanation, I actually looked it up on the internet as well and have all of the different sizes of oral syringes for my other animals. The good news is he is only about 10 weeks old so I just mixed the dose in warm water and gave him his bottle, he drank the whole thing in about a minute. I am going to dose him daily until the problem clears up, or should I dose him more frequently?

Again I want to thank all of you for your responses and advice, it has been very helpful.
 
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