Help needed please...trying to save my eight month old doe, got her in august ,

[B&B Happy goats]

Maybe you can breathe a little now. Let us know how she's doing and when she does kid.

I sure will let ya all know how samatha is, i have faith in her, but breathing easier comes when this is over...just can't fathom a littly girl like her pregnant....blows me away, thanks for the invasion push, lol

 

[Ridgetop]

I hope everything turns out well. Kids can be fertile and breed surprisingly early. We bought a ewe lamb one year and she surprised us by giving birth suddenly at 10 months of age. Sadly, we did not have her confined because we didn't even know she was pregnant. She lambed in the field and since no one knew, she had trouble, the baby suffered brain damage from lack of oxygen. He could never stand, we milked the ewe and bottle fed him, but we had to put him down 3 days later. I really don't like breeding younger than about a year old now, although we did breed many yearling milkers and only had trouble with one. In this case, 8 months is really too small. Also, the doeling probably couldn't grow as much as she should have since she was diverting much of her nutrition to the growing kids. If there is a sheep or goat vet within 2 hours drive, I would consider taking her there. Better safe than sorry.

Goats can have a full udder several days before giving birth, or can be almost empty and fill within hours of kidding. If your doeling has a full udder that is leaking colostrum, she is probably very close to kidding. I agree with Wehner, frustrated, and Minisilkies - this labor does not sound at all normal thing. During labor pressure can cause the doe to be unable to stand occasionally, but that is usually during hard labor. How do the ligaments feel? On the other hand, some does scream during labor while others make no noise at all.

Do not be afraid to feel inside the doe since if they have been labor for a long time and you missed it, they stop pushing because they are exhausted and nothing is happening. Labor will stop completely if the kids die inside or if the doe cannot push them out because of dystocia. Go online and pull up a drawing of how the kid is supposed to present during birth. That will give you an idea of what you need to feel for. There is a finite window of time to be able to intervene and save the kids in a difficult birth. I had a lovely doe that we bought after she had a deformed kid as a first freshener that had to be delivered by cutting the kid apart. I did not realize that she had developed so much scar tissue that when she tried to deliver the next year, she couldn't deliver. I kept checking her but she did not push or seem to go into labor. Finally, 2 days after her due date I took her to the vet and he pulled a single dead kid. He had to cut the scar tissue before he could deliver the kid. I decided not to breed her any more. It was a shame because she was an ADGA champion and was absolutely lovely with wonderful bloodlines. It wasn't worth her life.

Check Wehner's page about her kidding yesterday. She had to pull both kids and luckily she acted promptly and saved them. Do not be afraid to pull kids if there is a problem. Too many people are worried about interfering and lose the kids and sometimes the doe too.

Hope to hear soon that you had a successful kidding.

 

[babsbag]

If the electrolytes helped her I would be concerned about ketosis. This is a great article. I would give her the Karo Syrup asap, you can rub it on her gums if she won't take it another way.

https://fiascofarm.com/goats/ketosis.htm

 

[B&B Happy goats]

I hope everything turns out well. Kids can be fertile and breed surprisingly early. We bought a ewe lamb one year and she surprised us by giving birth suddenly at 10 months of age. Sadly, we did not have her confined because we didn't even know she was pregnant. She lambed in the field and since no one knew, she had trouble, the baby suffered brain damage from lack of oxygen. He could never stand, we milked the ewe and bottle fed him, but we had to put him down 3 days later. I really don't like breeding younger than about a year old now, although we did breed many yearling milkers and only had trouble with one. In this case, 8 months is really too small. Also, the doeling probably couldn't grow as much as she should have since she was diverting much of her nutrition to the growing kids. If there is a sheep or goat vet within 2 hours drive, I would consider taking her there. Better safe than sorry.

Goats can have a full udder several days before giving birth, or can be almost empty and fill within hours of kidding. If your doeling has a full udder that is leaking colostrum, she is probably very close to kidding. I agree with Wehner, frustrated, and Minisilkies - this labor does not sound at all normal thing. During labor pressure can cause the doe to be unable to stand occasionally, but that is usually during hard labor. How do the ligaments feel? On the other hand, some does scream during labor while others make no noise at all.

Do not be afraid to feel inside the doe since if they have been labor for a long time and you missed it, they stop pushing because they are exhausted and nothing is happening. Labor will stop completely if the kids die inside or if the doe cannot push them out because of dystocia. Go online and pull up a drawing of how the kid is supposed to present during birth. That will give you an idea of what you need to feel for. There is a finite window of time to be able to intervene and save the kids in a difficult birth. I had a lovely doe that we bought after she had a deformed kid as a first freshener that had to be delivered by cutting the kid apart. I did not realize that she had developed so much scar tissue that when she tried to deliver the next year, she couldn't deliver. I kept checking her but she did not push or seem to go into labor. Finally, 2 days after her due date I took her to the vet and he pulled a single dead kid. He had to cut the scar tissue before he could deliver the kid. I decided not to breed her any more. It was a shame because she was an ADGA champion and was absolutely lovely with wonderful bloodlines. It wasn't worth her life.

Check Wehner's page about her kidding yesterday. She had to pull both kids and luckily she acted promptly and saved them. Do not be afraid to pull kids if there is a problem. Too many people are worried about interfering and lose the kids and sometimes the doe too.

Hope to hear soon that you had a successful kidding.

 

[B&B Happy goats]

Thank you for your information, greatly appreciated. She is still alive, checked insid this morning, much softer and loose, plan is to have husband looking for vet while i stay with her and try to massage , talk and get her moving.....will keep you all posted, thank you for all thr help.

 

[B&B Happy goats]

Back again, i have moved her to our back porch, her sister has bagged up...go figure! We can't find a vet, so i am going to keep her alive till i see her wanting to go. She still will eat a little grain and hay, can't feel kids in position but still feel movement that they are alive....we are now under the hurricane watch so samantha will be in my lap in the house if needed, crazy goat woman won't give up.

 

[greybeard]

You basically have a tad more 48 hrs before the hurricane arrives. Hope this issue is resolved before then.
Forecast of what and where it will be in 2 days from this morning:
48(Hours out) (Oct) 10/0600Z (hrs) 27.2N 86.7W 95 KT 110 MPH
(Which is about 145 miles due south of Pensacola, tho they don't know how fast it will be traveling in the next 24 hrs)

 

[Latestarter]

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
National Hurricane Center. Lots of maps, charts, predictions, info, etc.

 

[greybeard]

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[B&B Happy goats]

We FOUND A VET !!! AND HE IS ON HIS WAY...