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Many times I hear people say 'oh it's an off the track horse, it is supposed to be skinny and ribby'. Well not exactly. Most off the track horses can put on weight and look very nicely covered, if they don't they are not getting fed right.

Then there are the people who just want everything very fat. used to the quarter horse look and a lot of very bunchy muscle and (sorry to say) many horses over fattened for the halter ring.

There are exceptions to the track horse always being able to look very finished and covered. Some of them are very rangy, lanky and tall just naturally. They may not get a lot of cover on their ribs, they may have a little bit of an upside down neck (ewe neck), but they should not have their hips sticking out ragged and their back unprotected by muscle and fat, then we know they are too thin.

There ARE some Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds that are just slim. They just don't put on a lot of surface fat. And they never look really good until they are in a fair amount of work that develops their muscles. Until they get muscled up they look a little poorly. If you try to fatten them up, they still don't look right, they just get a belly. The key is the musculature, getting good muscle to develop on the back and top of neck and top of croup. That is a matter of feeding good quality feed and hay and work that develops muscles properly.

A picture of the horse without tack and rider would be better, as the saddle covers the withers and back and I need to see that to give a guess as his condition.

Just from this photo I would say this horse is not too thin. But as I said this isn't the best picture to tell from, and quite often, the best thing is to put my hands on the horse and look it over from a few different angles. But if I had to say from this photo, I would say, no the horse is not too thin.

It is from my guess, a horse that doesn't have a lot of 'round', the neck crest just is not naturally very thick and round and the back is long and rangy. Like many standardbreds this horse might have a little bit of a ewe neck where there is not a lot of round crst to the neck, they don't put fat on their neck like that. That's possible, I need to see another pic with him not turning his neck around to be sure.

Not enough MUSCLE, yes. But that is another matter. It takes a long time to muscle up an off the standardbred track horse especially in the back and top of neck, and a lot of very gradually more work under saddle. The harness horse does not develop the same type of back muscle the saddle horse or pack horse does.

If he was mine, I would be riding him very lightly to start aout 3 times a week for 10 or 15 minutes, and just doing a little bit of circles and bending (not his head around to my knee, just his whole neck and body in one very smooth even bend say a 60' diameter circle, just so you barely see the shine of his eye) and stretching down to start the muscles in the top of the neck and back working. Then I would oh so slowly add a little more every couple weeks. First in an arena and adding a little bit of up and down hill as time went on.

The old fashioned way of conditioning standardbred track horses has about died out now, but there are still a few trainers who keep them fit as hard as nails and trot or pace them on intervals at the track - trot a couple miles, rest 30 min or so, trot some more miles, over and over, day after day. They can be in hard hard condtion like that and never blow or sweat and yet not have any back muscle for a saddle. Or they can be in lesser conditiion if worked the more short cut type of way, and not have any back, LOL. Or yours could have been laid up with no work for some time due to an injury and come to you soft and out of shape AND with no back muscle, lol!

People scoff at being 'just a trail or pack horse' and boy are they wrong. It is a demanding activity and requires a lot of soundness, wind and muscle from a horse.

If he was destined to be a pack and trail horse I would make sure he got a lot of walk exercise up and down hills, putting his head down and using his neck as that helps to develop the back. Another trick is to put their hay and feed bucket down on the ground so they stretch when they eat. Sometimes standardbred horses they don't like to stretch their neck down as they are harnessed with an overcheck that keeps their head up and they get out of the habit of stretching down when working. Rewarding them for stretching down and they quickly learn.

The whole trick of moving a horse to a new sport is gradual change, with the work gradually changing over. It can take up to a year or more to 'turn a horse over' (put muscle on his neck and back).
 

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Thanks so much. Here are a couple more photos... don't know if they help...

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Hard to see but yes when I can see the back and hips he does look somewhat thin. Is that his way? Possibly, but I'd like to see a little more weight on him. And he has nothing over his back. Meaning lacking in fat and muscle there.
 

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I realize that this is an old post, but I would like to point out that the notion of having to soak beet pulp is an old wives tale. I have served up beet pulp both soaked and dry for years and never had a problem.

Also, it bothers me that no one addressed the issue of the choke. I understand that the subject horse has had no further ill effects, but there are things that can be done if anyone reading this thread in the future happens to have the same problem.
One thing that can be done is to massage the neck to attempt to disslodge the wade of feed. If this is unsuccessful, call a vet. If you are not confident, call a vet. If you're not sure the danger is past, call a vet.
If the horse has a second episode of choke, evaluate why it's happening. Is the horse bolting it's food? (most common in younger horses) If so, a brick or large rock can be placed in the horse feed bucket to slow it's eating.
Is it that the horse is not producing enough saliva? (most common in older horses) If this is a possibility, soaking the horse's feed will help.

I hope this information will be helpful to someone down the road.:)
 

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Sorry, have to disagree with you on the dry beet pulp feed not causing choke. Seen it happen and more than once. Folks get "tired of dealing with the soaking" and just feed the shreds dry or even the pellets! They quote several studies done by various places and people who claim never to have had a problem with dry feeding, as a "good enough" reason to feed the stuff dry.

As with ANYTHING to do with horses, each individuals experiences will vary, some folks have problems with every animal, while other equines never have anything bad happen despite terrible living conditions.

We hear the reasons, smile as we disagree and leave the topic then. Seems within a few weeks or couple months THEN you get a call from them in the evening for help, because the Vet is unavailable and SURPRISE!! Their horse is choking! So far none have died, fortunately.

Glad that you have not had problems, but dry beet pulp is not designed to be FED DRY. If the shreds are a SMALL portion of a mixed feed, they may not cause problems. But just giving a horse a bucket of dry shreds is asking for trouble. Can't say the pellets would be any better, fed dry. The pieces of both adhere to the esophogus and start clumping in the damp location. Clumps stuck on wet throat obstruct other pieces coming along after, creating large blockages.

Making the beet pulp up wet, has several advantages to the horse, doesn't take that much extra time or work. Why even take the CHANCE of choking your horse by feeding it dry? If you truly can't take the time to do it up wet, best to just remove the beet pulp from your food regimen completely for safety.
 

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I have an arab gelding that is very prone to choke (chewing is apparently a foreign concept :rolleyes: ) and until we switched his feed, we had to soak everything. He also does not gain weight easily.

I did not like Purina's Equine Senior, it was very sugary and gave him a lot of energy that he did not need. We have had a lot of good results with Nutrena's feeds. We feed Nutrena Safe Choice to our entire herd. My gelding gets two pounds of Safe Choice and a pound of Nutrena Empower Boost per day. We feed him the Empower because he needs the extra fat it provides. When he is in hard work in the summer, I feed beet pulp so I know he has had some water. This is especially useful when you are at another facility and your horse does not like the water. Because he is prone to choke, we always soak it at least an hour.

To add the extra pounds, rice bran, any type of vegetable oil, or a high-fat feed supplement are all good choices. More high-quality hay or free choice hay is a good place to start, and then build up from that.

If he does not gain weight, call your vet out and he/she can see if any medical problems could be causing his weight. Chronic pain and ulcers are two examples.
 
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