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All I know is that you can only load so many on the life boat before that darn thing capsizes and goes down.
Influx of illegal aliens
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Sweetened
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Watching this thread with great interest. I said Obama was a snake from the beginning and I haven't been wrong about him yet.
I immigrated to the US several years ago when my Mom married an American. Due to some bad lawyer advice (thank you Georgia State Bar), I spent 10 years trapped in the system. Unable to work or go to school, my step-dad supported me. My Mom's immigration didn't finish until 7 years after filing, 6 weeks after moving to Florida. Bush passed that illegals amnesty (but don't worry, it won't effect anyone) and I, along with thousands of other people waiting in the system, was denied my status and sent packing with a letter received on December 23rd. What pissed me off the most was finding out 2 immigration applications for supposed 9/11 terrorists were approved after they blew up the towers, but me, stuck in the legal system, got sent home, a family ripped apart.
Wishing you guys to the south all the best. Your new candidates don't like any better, but neither do ours!
I immigrated to the US several years ago when my Mom married an American. Due to some bad lawyer advice (thank you Georgia State Bar), I spent 10 years trapped in the system. Unable to work or go to school, my step-dad supported me. My Mom's immigration didn't finish until 7 years after filing, 6 weeks after moving to Florida. Bush passed that illegals amnesty (but don't worry, it won't effect anyone) and I, along with thousands of other people waiting in the system, was denied my status and sent packing with a letter received on December 23rd. What pissed me off the most was finding out 2 immigration applications for supposed 9/11 terrorists were approved after they blew up the towers, but me, stuck in the legal system, got sent home, a family ripped apart.
Wishing you guys to the south all the best. Your new candidates don't like any better, but neither do ours!
Baymule
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Immigration in this country is a mess. The children coming in now are from Central America, put on busses and driven through Mexico to our border. Mexico could stop them at their borders, but instead is giving them practically escorted rides to out borders. What if we boycott Mexico and South American countries? Look on the labels for country of origin and just don't buy it.
Sweetened, you are a prime example of how screwed up our system is. It rewards the illegals and punishes the lawful. I apologize to you and your family for the anguish you have suffered at the hands of the bureaucrats. The American people are a good people with kind hearts and compassion for their fellow human beings. We elect our representatives only to watch them succumb to the rottenness of lies and deceit, or else they were liars incarnate to begin with. They forget they work for us, not us work for them. In November, we need to remind them of this fact.
Sweetened, you are a prime example of how screwed up our system is. It rewards the illegals and punishes the lawful. I apologize to you and your family for the anguish you have suffered at the hands of the bureaucrats. The American people are a good people with kind hearts and compassion for their fellow human beings. We elect our representatives only to watch them succumb to the rottenness of lies and deceit, or else they were liars incarnate to begin with. They forget they work for us, not us work for them. In November, we need to remind them of this fact.
Sweetened
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Don't apologize. A people is not their government. I spent, at the time, half my life in the south, grew up between Georgia and Florida, and a brief stint in Wisconsin. I met some amazing people, and wouldn't trade those years. Besides, I think it made me a redneck in many ways. I like to remind my man I am both a Florida orange and a Georgia peach.
I must say, however, I am glad I ended up back in Canada. Though our government isn't much better, it's a little less corrupt (for the moment), though I think both countries have snakes in office.
I must say, however, I am glad I ended up back in Canada. Though our government isn't much better, it's a little less corrupt (for the moment), though I think both countries have snakes in office.
I'm not sure if this is the place to get "political", but here it goes..
It was not so many generations ago MY ancestors sat in America speeking there native tounges, depending on there children to translate. There American school books and Sunday hymns were all written in there na ti very language as well. [German/ Norweigen] not so many generations before that the puritan's came over seeking refuge from a cruel government. They were being tormented by their government and found this land of plenty to support them. The native Americans saved their lives to see first few winters here in this new land and we owe our lives to them.later others came to follow to set up their utopias and push the natives back and take for themselves what ever it was they pleased. We then made a government of our own and made our laws and constitutions and now declare war on anything that infringes on these "laws and rights"... I love my country and my freedoms. My husband is a disabled veteran. Wi th all that being said, there is also a big push for this nation to find a godly and moral foundation before we deteriorate and crumble away like Rome did.
So as irritating and frustrating as the th ought of illegals coming to america is, I cannot join the choir when it demands to "send them back!" It was because all those years ago we, most, all have a little "illegal alien" in us all. And I am thankful there was someone here to help my ancestors make it in this new and strange world, and give them free food. And free clothing and I'm sure they even received the best medical care they were able to give. We as Americans have grown so accustom ed to our large homes and shopping malls and American ways of doing things we have lost our true selves..... I believe we are called to be meek and humble. To offer clothing to the naked. The USA receives so much donated clothes for over sea missions the burn them by the literal bales, by the tons! We are called to feed the hungery... America is the most obese nation in the world! Free those who are opressed. To love our neighbors. Not just the ones we sit and have coffee with. I see first hand people preaching to go and spread the love of JESUS. They send money to far away places and line up to go to Africa, Mexico, Russia.ect ect,,, so does this only apply while sitting in the pew on sunday morning? Or perhaps are we to open our doors and feed those in need at our borders too? This will defiantly require enormous sacrifice on the parts of those who are willing. But all things worth doing in life ALWAYS come at great sacrifice! We are called to be something greater than comfort. Something more fulfilling than the persute of happiness. The people are human beings. We have been brain washed into thinking they are no more than pesky vermin that we need to keep out and clean house. I personally believe this is America's opportunity to be something more than what we have become.
It was not so many generations ago MY ancestors sat in America speeking there native tounges, depending on there children to translate. There American school books and Sunday hymns were all written in there na ti very language as well. [German/ Norweigen] not so many generations before that the puritan's came over seeking refuge from a cruel government. They were being tormented by their government and found this land of plenty to support them. The native Americans saved their lives to see first few winters here in this new land and we owe our lives to them.later others came to follow to set up their utopias and push the natives back and take for themselves what ever it was they pleased. We then made a government of our own and made our laws and constitutions and now declare war on anything that infringes on these "laws and rights"... I love my country and my freedoms. My husband is a disabled veteran. Wi th all that being said, there is also a big push for this nation to find a godly and moral foundation before we deteriorate and crumble away like Rome did.
So as irritating and frustrating as the th ought of illegals coming to america is, I cannot join the choir when it demands to "send them back!" It was because all those years ago we, most, all have a little "illegal alien" in us all. And I am thankful there was someone here to help my ancestors make it in this new and strange world, and give them free food. And free clothing and I'm sure they even received the best medical care they were able to give. We as Americans have grown so accustom ed to our large homes and shopping malls and American ways of doing things we have lost our true selves..... I believe we are called to be meek and humble. To offer clothing to the naked. The USA receives so much donated clothes for over sea missions the burn them by the literal bales, by the tons! We are called to feed the hungery... America is the most obese nation in the world! Free those who are opressed. To love our neighbors. Not just the ones we sit and have coffee with. I see first hand people preaching to go and spread the love of JESUS. They send money to far away places and line up to go to Africa, Mexico, Russia.ect ect,,, so does this only apply while sitting in the pew on sunday morning? Or perhaps are we to open our doors and feed those in need at our borders too? This will defiantly require enormous sacrifice on the parts of those who are willing. But all things worth doing in life ALWAYS come at great sacrifice! We are called to be something greater than comfort. Something more fulfilling than the persute of happiness. The people are human beings. We have been brain washed into thinking they are no more than pesky vermin that we need to keep out and clean house. I personally believe this is America's opportunity to be something more than what we have become.
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alsea1
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Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions.
I think that the other countries should be shamed into doing what is right and take care of their own rather than send them packing.
They could do so if they truly wanted to.
I think that the other countries should be shamed into doing what is right and take care of their own rather than send them packing.
They could do so if they truly wanted to.
animalmom
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No, we don't all have a little "illegal alien" in us. My grandparents came here LEGALLY.
Charity is all good and well, but charity is NOT a government function. Never was, never should be. Charity is given on an individual basis otherwise if I am forced to give "charity" then it isn't charity.
If these people streaming over our border want to come here and contribute to our society then let them do it legally. I know of no person who is against LEGAL immigration... do you? I do my best to uphold the law and why should I accept these lawbreakers as members of my society.
Let's not get soft and squishy here. Legal is legal and illegal is not legal. You want to come to the US and live and have a job and raise your family AND pay taxes then apply. If you want to come here and help suck the rest of the population dry, through all the extensive welfare programs, because you are a lawbreaker then stay home. PERIOD. It rubs me raw that my tax dollars go to feed, clothe, lawyer-up, doctor, educate people who are illegal.
You want to work with your religious organizations to do something to improve the conditions back home for these people, more power to you. Don't expect me to aide and abet anyone who breaks the law... and I am beginning to feel pushed to not look favorably on those who do think it is just fine and dandy and shouldn't we assist these ILLEGALS.
Folks, bottom line: What does ILLEGAL mean?
Charity is all good and well, but charity is NOT a government function. Never was, never should be. Charity is given on an individual basis otherwise if I am forced to give "charity" then it isn't charity.
If these people streaming over our border want to come here and contribute to our society then let them do it legally. I know of no person who is against LEGAL immigration... do you? I do my best to uphold the law and why should I accept these lawbreakers as members of my society.
Let's not get soft and squishy here. Legal is legal and illegal is not legal. You want to come to the US and live and have a job and raise your family AND pay taxes then apply. If you want to come here and help suck the rest of the population dry, through all the extensive welfare programs, because you are a lawbreaker then stay home. PERIOD. It rubs me raw that my tax dollars go to feed, clothe, lawyer-up, doctor, educate people who are illegal.
You want to work with your religious organizations to do something to improve the conditions back home for these people, more power to you. Don't expect me to aide and abet anyone who breaks the law... and I am beginning to feel pushed to not look favorably on those who do think it is just fine and dandy and shouldn't we assist these ILLEGALS.
Folks, bottom line: What does ILLEGAL mean?
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I have no plans to become embroiled in the argument. But, I do have an opinion on the turn that this thread has taken...
@Herbnerb - I applaud your bravery in standing up for what you believe. I think a lot of what herbnerb is alluding to is plain ol' compassion folks. Seems like there is a dire shortage of compassion these days in many places.
@animalmom - since when is charity NOT a government function? What is WIC, Welfare, Medicaid, if not basically "charity"? What is Federal Disaster Relief? These are all government funded agencies (funded by those tax dollars that you are forced to pay) who give help to those in need. Sounds like a charity to me. Also, just so you know, there are plenty of private charities who receive plenty of government grants.
However, I understand your argument about the legality of this situation. You are darn sure right that these HUMANS are entering into our United States illegally. And, you are certainly entitled to "not look favorably" on the compassionate people in the world who want to help these children.
My comments here are not to address whether or not it is illegal for these folks to enter or what to do with them when they get here. My comments are simply my point of view on how impassioned people become on both sides of the issue. I live in Texas so I'm close to the action. If we, as a nation, expect this to change we've got to change the system.
@Herbnerb - I applaud your bravery in standing up for what you believe. I think a lot of what herbnerb is alluding to is plain ol' compassion folks. Seems like there is a dire shortage of compassion these days in many places.
@animalmom - since when is charity NOT a government function? What is WIC, Welfare, Medicaid, if not basically "charity"? What is Federal Disaster Relief? These are all government funded agencies (funded by those tax dollars that you are forced to pay) who give help to those in need. Sounds like a charity to me. Also, just so you know, there are plenty of private charities who receive plenty of government grants.
However, I understand your argument about the legality of this situation. You are darn sure right that these HUMANS are entering into our United States illegally. And, you are certainly entitled to "not look favorably" on the compassionate people in the world who want to help these children.
My comments here are not to address whether or not it is illegal for these folks to enter or what to do with them when they get here. My comments are simply my point of view on how impassioned people become on both sides of the issue. I live in Texas so I'm close to the action. If we, as a nation, expect this to change we've got to change the system.
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alsea1
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I don't think that the people here lack compassion. I think they are frustrated with what they see going on.
