Iron

[20kidsonhill]

how old are these girls? What about coccidia?? That can run them down and cause anemia as well.


Those wormers you are using aren't the strongest available to fight a barber pole worm load. We would use something stronger on our goats if they were anemic, cydectin or valbazene.


Anemia can take a very long time to recover from. It is an ugly circle, with the goat weakened by the anemia constantly getting a heavy worm load and the worms causing a worsened state of anemia.

plenty of loose goat minerals may help, since copper is very important for the goat to beable to fight a worm load. copper bolusing may help, but is a pain to do. I know it helped some of ours.

Goats just aren't meant to be grazing off the ground. Getting the onse that are staying anemic off of pasture and just on hay or hay and grain can help, since they will be exposed to less parasites and it will give their bodies time to recover from the anemia.

Feeds high in protien help build red blood cells.

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

how old are these girls? What about coccidia?? That can run them down and cause anemia as well.


Those wormers you are using aren't the strongest available to fight a barber pole worm load. We would use something stronger on our goats if they were anemic, cydectin or valbazene.

PS: 20kids...they are pregnant...so it changes things a bit for them.

 

[20kidsonhill]

how old are these girls? What about coccidia?? That can run them down and cause anemia as well.


Those wormers you are using aren't the strongest available to fight a barber pole worm load. We would use something stronger on our goats if they were anemic, cydectin or valbazene.

PS: 20kids...they are pregnant...so it changes things a bit for them.

I should clarify, I was being lazy. We don't use valbazene on pregnant goats, we do use cydectin if they are pregnant and anemic. Doing a lot of worming on them the first couple months of pregnancy is not ideal, but being anemic isn't ideal either.

 

[arabianequine]

I am pretty sure all my girls are pregnant. I know valbazen should not be given while pregnant. Since they had the ivermectin paste last time. I went with the safe guard paste this time. One that seems pale now had the ivermec injectable on May 21st not orally though, it was injected. It might just be that there gum color is not the pinkest or as pink as my toggs. These are boer doe goats.


I do plan on getting the ivermax very soon.

You are correct about the valbazen. Didn't know they were preggers. The issue here is dosage. If you under dose you will have resistance. You need to use a correct dose to kill the worms. The injectable and pour on ivermec should be dosed @ 1cc/22lbs orally. If you choose to inject the injectable(which I don't recommend but some people do) it is the same dosage. The idea is to deliver around 500-800 mcg/kg of body weight.

I agree!! The issue is the dosage. I would use ivermec orally...its much more effective! It taste terrible for them so make sure you get it far back in their mouths as you can when dosing orally so they dont spit it out. Learned that one from expirence!! lol!

Good luck..its important you get this worm load under control soon...they sound in rough shape. ;(

Way better then the way I got them.

I just noticed the other day when handling them. I usually check everything out then and that their gums were not as bright pink as the toggs. Actually I think they are getting pale again. I thought I had them pinker then that before but not as pink as the toggs then either.

I just got these does on May 1st and they went through a sick spell after 2 weeks of being here.

The 2 boers I have are 3 and 2.

The bigger boer which is 3 had not had the neomycin but the smaller 2 year old one did....when went through the sick spell. The older boer never got sick. Just the togg and the 2 year old boer. That was about mid May.

I am pretty positive they are all pregnant. If they were pregnant when they came, I had to assume they had had nothing especially being in poor shape. That is why I gave them some wormer then and then I was told to redo it in 2 weeks by a local goat owner here. Then they got sick the day it was due so I did not do it again till about a week after when it was due on the togg and the older boer. I was wanting to get them over being sick...and not be throwing all kinds of stuff at them. The younger boer had while sick about 2-3 days into being sick ivermectin injectable and it was injected and that was on May 21st.

I will be ordering some IverMax pour on here real soon maybe today if I can get the answers I want from the manufacture.

I have iron and going to give that in the mean time.

I did give the safe guard the other day at 3x their weight dose. To try and get rid of different worms if they had them.

 

[arabianequine]

I do plan on ordering the drench tube and di-methox 40% also.

 

[arabianequine]

I did have the iron supplement....I am not very happy!

 

[arabianequine]

This is what my vet gave me and pretty spendy....and expensive from the vet too.

http://www.drugs.com/vet/lixotinic.html

Red cell seems better anyways and a lot cheaper. I can get this at my local feed store too.

http://www.kyhorse.com/store/supplements/general/redcell.htm

What do you think about giving either to goats and how much for, for how long etc? Neither say goats can have it

Red cell seems like it has more vit. in it in mg and more vit. then the other above.

 

[20kidsonhill]

Red cell: I have read any where from 6cc per 100 lbs to 6cc per 40lbs. I would say if you are going to give it everyday and the goat has not had a lot of other mineral supplements, like loose minerals, then give the higher dosage. I have given as much as 30cc to a 120lb goat at one time, but more as a one time deal and not every day for a week.

I beleive the recommendation is one time every day for a week then once a week, until the animal is less anemic looking. I have been happy with the product.

ON a severly anemic doe, we used red cell and iron injections, and she is doing a lot better. The injectable iron 100 is fairly inexpensive and it is given at the rate of 4cc per 100lbs, but you can't give to animal meant for slaughter, since it leaves staining int he meat. IT doesn't give an exact withdrawal, but I was going by atleast 6 months.


don't forgot good protein in the diet is the key to making red blood cells.


Anemia and worm loads is a nasty circle. Anemia weakening the animals system, allowing the worms to flurish and the worms causing more anemia.

 

[arabianequine]

Does anyone know if the two links above are pretty much the same product? I really don't care about the fancy glass bottle. I prefer not to pay the high price either or the vets high price.

 

[20kidsonhill]

Does anyone know if the two links above are pretty much the same product? I really don't care about the fancy glass bottle. I prefer not to pay the high price either or the vets high price.

this is the label for red cell: http://valleyvet.naccvp.com/index.php?m=product_view_basic&u=country&p=msds&id=1500004

they don't have the same kind of iron in them.