Womwotai
Ridin' The Range
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I've been thinking about this off an on for awhile now - hopefully it won't get too long - teehee.
I live on 10 acres. Currently we have a 7-acre pasture that contains 6 sheep (3 of them pregnant ewes) and 2 goats (one of whom we hope is pregnant). The remaining 3-acres is house, garden area, yard and a ½ acre "chicken yard", where we have over 100 chickens and turkeys. The latter free-range the front 3-acres and a small amount of the 7-acre pasture during the day most days.
We currently have two 40-lb "mutts", adopted as adults, and selected because they are poultry friendly. They are outside dogs but have a dog door that leads into the garage and their food is kept there so as not to attract other dogs and wild animals. Shortly after moving here a fox climbed the fence and wiped out a good portion of my flock in a matter of hours. It was summer and the dogs were blissfully sleeping on the cool cement floor of the garage at the time. Following that we moved a dog house into the chicken yard and since then the dogs have slept there every night. In the almost two years since, we haven't had any more issues with predators killing our birds. (Although the dogs are not LGD's, I believe their presence there acts as a deterrent and though they are not locked in the yard during the day, their scent remains).
The sheep and goats did not arrive until last summer. Our 7-acre pasture was fenced for horses/cattle, not sheep/goats, so initially they were contained in our lagoon fencing, while we had field fence installed around the entire 7-acres (about a month). Two days after turning them loose in the pasture, a pack of coyotes killed one of them. Turns out the fencers had left a 10" gap, which allowed the coyotes to simply walk through. We were out at the time so can't say for sure whether our dogs were aware but in order to keep lambs and goats IN the pasture, we had essentially rendered it impossible for our dogs to get back there, meaning even if they were aware, there was little they could have done. We fixed the 10" gap and in the 8 months since, have had no further problems.
The first year was an experiment to see if we enjoy raising sheep and goats. We do. We are excitedly preparing for lambs and kids now and eager to build up our flock/herd. But, as the time when babies will be on the ground approaches, I'm getting increasingly nervous about keeping them safe. Which has led to considering LGD(s).
So that's a little about us. We do know both foxes and coyotes are around but in two years have had exactly one attack by each. I'm concerned the predator activity is low enough a LGD would be bored here.
Economically - have to wonder if the care and feeding of one or two large dogs year-round makes sense. We are primarily raising the livestock to feed us. If it winds up costing more to keep the guardians than we are eating in meat - is it worth it? (Sorry if that sounds cold but I'm trying to think of every aspect.)
Barking. I have 3 friends with GP's who all report the dogs bark all night long and that would drive me nuts. Are there other breeds of LGD that aren't quite as vocal in their defense of their livestock?
What is the general consensus about one dog or two? I've always understood that one working alone will burn out quickly but in an environment where there is perhaps not enough full time work for one dog, is having two just crazy talk?
My current dogs are dog, sheep and goat friendly, and are allowed to follow me into the pasture when I'm doing chores. I wouldn't mind them playing with the LGD's but have pictured the living arrangement being that the LGD's would live in the pasture with the sheep and goats, while the "pet" dogs would continue living in the front 3 acres by day and the chicken yard at night. Does this sound workable?
I've been researching various LGD's. I'm willing to travel to get pup(s) from a reputable breeder and try to do everything right as far as raising, training, etc. But I'm still vacillating about whether it is even a realistic choice for us, so I look forward to hearing opinions and perhaps factors that I have not yet considered will be raised.
I live on 10 acres. Currently we have a 7-acre pasture that contains 6 sheep (3 of them pregnant ewes) and 2 goats (one of whom we hope is pregnant). The remaining 3-acres is house, garden area, yard and a ½ acre "chicken yard", where we have over 100 chickens and turkeys. The latter free-range the front 3-acres and a small amount of the 7-acre pasture during the day most days.
We currently have two 40-lb "mutts", adopted as adults, and selected because they are poultry friendly. They are outside dogs but have a dog door that leads into the garage and their food is kept there so as not to attract other dogs and wild animals. Shortly after moving here a fox climbed the fence and wiped out a good portion of my flock in a matter of hours. It was summer and the dogs were blissfully sleeping on the cool cement floor of the garage at the time. Following that we moved a dog house into the chicken yard and since then the dogs have slept there every night. In the almost two years since, we haven't had any more issues with predators killing our birds. (Although the dogs are not LGD's, I believe their presence there acts as a deterrent and though they are not locked in the yard during the day, their scent remains).
The sheep and goats did not arrive until last summer. Our 7-acre pasture was fenced for horses/cattle, not sheep/goats, so initially they were contained in our lagoon fencing, while we had field fence installed around the entire 7-acres (about a month). Two days after turning them loose in the pasture, a pack of coyotes killed one of them. Turns out the fencers had left a 10" gap, which allowed the coyotes to simply walk through. We were out at the time so can't say for sure whether our dogs were aware but in order to keep lambs and goats IN the pasture, we had essentially rendered it impossible for our dogs to get back there, meaning even if they were aware, there was little they could have done. We fixed the 10" gap and in the 8 months since, have had no further problems.
The first year was an experiment to see if we enjoy raising sheep and goats. We do. We are excitedly preparing for lambs and kids now and eager to build up our flock/herd. But, as the time when babies will be on the ground approaches, I'm getting increasingly nervous about keeping them safe. Which has led to considering LGD(s).
So that's a little about us. We do know both foxes and coyotes are around but in two years have had exactly one attack by each. I'm concerned the predator activity is low enough a LGD would be bored here.
Economically - have to wonder if the care and feeding of one or two large dogs year-round makes sense. We are primarily raising the livestock to feed us. If it winds up costing more to keep the guardians than we are eating in meat - is it worth it? (Sorry if that sounds cold but I'm trying to think of every aspect.)
Barking. I have 3 friends with GP's who all report the dogs bark all night long and that would drive me nuts. Are there other breeds of LGD that aren't quite as vocal in their defense of their livestock?
What is the general consensus about one dog or two? I've always understood that one working alone will burn out quickly but in an environment where there is perhaps not enough full time work for one dog, is having two just crazy talk?
My current dogs are dog, sheep and goat friendly, and are allowed to follow me into the pasture when I'm doing chores. I wouldn't mind them playing with the LGD's but have pictured the living arrangement being that the LGD's would live in the pasture with the sheep and goats, while the "pet" dogs would continue living in the front 3 acres by day and the chicken yard at night. Does this sound workable?
I've been researching various LGD's. I'm willing to travel to get pup(s) from a reputable breeder and try to do everything right as far as raising, training, etc. But I'm still vacillating about whether it is even a realistic choice for us, so I look forward to hearing opinions and perhaps factors that I have not yet considered will be raised.