Is this cross would make a good family cow?

[WildRoseBeef]

What is PDF?

PDF I think means "portable-document format" or something like that...it's an electronic form of document that can't be edited, and can be moved around through email and that. It's predominantly through Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Maybe I'll send along a wikipedia article to try to explain it for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format

 

[CochinBrahmaLover=)]

What is PDF?

Something you cant copy and paste (EXCEPT WRB, LOL)

Umm, i dunno what it stands for, but pretty much you just cant copy and paste it (tho Beef has made that not true, LOL)

 

[CochinBrahmaLover=)]

Heres a PDF

http://jas.fass.org/content/69/9/3610.full.pdf

 

[Farmerboy]

Ah, I see. Thanks.

I realized that the camera setting was set at vivid when I took the picture of Maybelle. So, that may not be accurate color of her. She is not that bright red, more of chocolate color. I will take another picture of her tomorrow with the standard setting. She does not stand still when I take pictures of her. So sorry, should have known that sooner. To make myself feel better, she is really NOT black anymore.

 

[shawnfisher]

my pdf is 22 pages long...

the original was a google doc-- that for some reason was password protected... once I finally got ahold of it-- it again was protected, and I could do nothing but print it off-- of which I then ram in through our super scanner-- and turned it into a pdf.

for some reason, someone wanted to keep it to their self.

 

[CochinBrahmaLover=)]

that could explain her colr- from what Ive seen guernseys are a light brown so th black could make her seem chocolaty. I dunno, LOL!

 

[shawnfisher]

that could explain her colr- from what Ive seen guernseys are a light brown so th black could make her seem chocolaty. I dunno, LOL!

black cannot, and will not ever be co-dominate-- unless it is bred to charlois white (even though this white really doesn't exist-- as Charlois are actually recessive RED with the dilutor gene being expressed) (result in smoke) or shorthorn white which results in the roaning effect.

In every other case- it, BLACK, will be dominate.

The brown of Guernsey isn't really brown- it's an expression of the wildtype color pattern with the gene for spotting-- which is the same as the gene in Sim, Holsteins, and many other spotted breeds.

 

[Symphony]

Actually Black and Red Angus are the exact same family or breed its just the color difference. Before there was a separate herd books both Red and Black Angus where in the same breed so Red is possible though rare from a Black Angus.

I think the calve will have a beautiful dark red color to her when she grows up.

Kinda right, but wrong... Originally the reds were sports coming from the blacks- back in the beginning of reds- a couple of outfits-- mainly Beckton Ranch-- went around buying up all the pop-up Red Angus-- and started their own deal from there.

The blacks and reds now have a separate herd book-- and the black's discriminant hugely against the reds-- at least in the US. Canada, I believe still keeps them in the same herd book. The main difference now- is the black herdbook is closed, and will remain so-- where as the Red herd book is open and including an appendix or upgrading program-- so theoretically the red angus of today, might not be purebred.

See how this calf has black ears, black around her muzzle, and a black stripe down the back--- that's wildtype color pattern expressing it'self in textbook fashion.

The likelihood that this calf has an Angus parent with the red gene is possible-- but I highly doubt that's the case--

to the OP-- if you're wanting a heifer calf-- then sexed semen might be the way to go-- but it will cost you roughly twice the price of conventional-- and it won't have as good of a fertility rate- b/c the semen will have less vigor and motility. The concentration will be about the same though- as you'll buy sexed semen in 2.1 mil straws, or 5 mil straws for flushing.

if you want a brown and white, and have specific goals-- I'd suggest finding what you want and buying it-- you'll be better off than trying to make it yourself. When you are dealing with black- you'll have a tough time getting anything other than black from them, and black in the solid state.

Don't know where your getting your information but mine came from the UK Angus society and the original families that started the breed.

 

[shawnfisher]

Actually Black and Red Angus are the exact same family or breed its just the color difference. Before there was a separate herd books both Red and Black Angus where in the same breed so Red is possible though rare from a Black Angus.

I think the calve will have a beautiful dark red color to her when she grows up.

Kinda right, but wrong... Originally the reds were sports coming from the blacks- back in the beginning of reds- a couple of outfits-- mainly Beckton Ranch-- went around buying up all the pop-up Red Angus-- and started their own deal from there.

The blacks and reds now have a separate herd book-- and the black's discriminant hugely against the reds-- at least in the US. Canada, I believe still keeps them in the same herd book. The main difference now- is the black herdbook is closed, and will remain so-- where as the Red herd book is open and including an appendix or upgrading program-- so theoretically the red angus of today, might not be purebred.

See how this calf has black ears, black around her muzzle, and a black stripe down the back--- that's wildtype color pattern expressing it'self in textbook fashion.

The likelihood that this calf has an Angus parent with the red gene is possible-- but I highly doubt that's the case--

to the OP-- if you're wanting a heifer calf-- then sexed semen might be the way to go-- but it will cost you roughly twice the price of conventional-- and it won't have as good of a fertility rate- b/c the semen will have less vigor and motility. The concentration will be about the same though- as you'll buy sexed semen in 2.1 mil straws, or 5 mil straws for flushing.

if you want a brown and white, and have specific goals-- I'd suggest finding what you want and buying it-- you'll be better off than trying to make it yourself. When you are dealing with black- you'll have a tough time getting anything other than black from them, and black in the solid state.

Don't know where your getting your information but mine came from the UK Angus society and the original families that started the breed.

so you know the original families Huh? I'm getting my information from the truth, and figured that I'd hit up the Red Angus ass'n to back it up.

http://redangus.org/assets/media/Documents/Association/Red_Angus_History_Brochure.pdf

 

[Symphony]

Kinda right, but wrong... Originally the reds were sports coming from the blacks- back in the beginning of reds- a couple of outfits-- mainly Beckton Ranch-- went around buying up all the pop-up Red Angus-- and started their own deal from there.

The blacks and reds now have a separate herd book-- and the black's discriminant hugely against the reds-- at least in the US. Canada, I believe still keeps them in the same herd book. The main difference now- is the black herdbook is closed, and will remain so-- where as the Red herd book is open and including an appendix or upgrading program-- so theoretically the red angus of today, might not be purebred.

See how this calf has black ears, black around her muzzle, and a black stripe down the back--- that's wildtype color pattern expressing it'self in textbook fashion.

The likelihood that this calf has an Angus parent with the red gene is possible-- but I highly doubt that's the case--

to the OP-- if you're wanting a heifer calf-- then sexed semen might be the way to go-- but it will cost you roughly twice the price of conventional-- and it won't have as good of a fertility rate- b/c the semen will have less vigor and motility. The concentration will be about the same though- as you'll buy sexed semen in 2.1 mil straws, or 5 mil straws for flushing.

if you want a brown and white, and have specific goals-- I'd suggest finding what you want and buying it-- you'll be better off than trying to make it yourself. When you are dealing with black- you'll have a tough time getting anything other than black from them, and black in the solid state.

Don't know where your getting your information but mine came from the UK Angus society and the original families that started the breed.

so you know the original families Huh? I'm getting my information from the truth, and figured that I'd hit up the Red Angus ass'n to back it up.

http://redangus.org/assets/media/Documents/Association/Red_Angus_History_Brochure.pdf

Lol, no I don't know the original families. But I did a novel thing and researched. That pdf is an interesting version.