Ivermectin Pour-on For Cattle? **Added Pics.**

[Chicos Mama]

Please help! I recently aquired an Older goat, apporx. 13 yrs. old, severly under weight. Hoof Rot came along as well. I felt sorry for this old gal and took her in to give her a better life. All has been well so far and she is slowly...very slowly gaining weight. BUT as of 5 days ago she began loosing her hair. I watch her rub herself raw on anything she can and as of today...she about 75% Bald! No Mites anywhere to be found, No creppy crawly anythings.
Im assuming Mange... so I went to our local feed store for Ivermectin and all they had was the pour-on for cattle. Can this be given orally and if so, how much? Im not trying to posion this old lady but Im afraid to actually pour it on her sensitive skin in fear of burning her.
Any help please!
Im sitting here waiting....

 

[Roll farms]

First off, mange IS mites...demodectic or sarcoptic mange - both are from mites.

Second, definitely don't use the pour on AS a pour on. Goats metabolize differently than cattle and it can build up in their system and become toxic.

I won't give any pour on orally (And...I don't want to have a peeing contest about this, just my opionion - what others choose to treat their goats with is their business)
but the pour on dewormers usually contain a lot of bad stuff as a 'carrier' - to get it into the goat's system. Some contain Naptha (paint thinner...ewww) and some contain isopropanol. I'd rather not give those things to my goats, but to each their own.

Me, I'd take that back and find some ivo injectable...either give it orally or inject it (I've done both). In the meantime, you can use livestock dust or 7 dust on her, and I really liked the "Witch's Brew" recipe KSalvagno posted about when two of mine were having issues.

http://www.alpacas.com/AlpacaLibrary/AlpacaSkinProblems.aspx

The recipe is at the bottom of the page.

 

[Goatmasta]

If she were here I would drench the pour on ivermec @ 1cc/22lbs 10-12 days apart for a total of 3 treatments. regardless of what you do, don't under dose!

 

[Chicos Mama]

First of all, Thank you for your wise wisdom Roll Farms as always you have helped me MANY times. BUT, All of the feedstores out here in the middle of nowhere are sold out of the Iver. Injectable and wont be getting in any new shippments untill August. So when in a pinch...This is all I have to choose from. I only have 7-Dust Granuals on hand (yup, I threw some on her...much to her discust )

Even the Witches Brew calls for Iver. So Im going to try the pour on...please wish me luck!

Ok...Now, please dont think me ignorant...but all of my suringes are in ML.`s

Can anyone break that down for me in CC.`s (or Tablespoons or whatever measurment I can use?)

 

[Roll farms]

ML = CC.

Use what you gotta.

FYI - Online vendors (Jeffers.com, Premier, etc.) sell generic ivermectin (or ivomec name brand) and ship pretty quickly.

 

[ksalvagno]

You can also buy Camelid Skin Mix (aka Witches Brew) from Light Livestock Supply. It is pricey but there is an added ingredient and it is all ready to go. You can also buy NuStock from Light Livestock Supply and that also does wonders for skin treatment.

http://www.lightlivestockequipment.com/WitchesBrew.asp

 

[cmjust0]

Order some injectable ivermectin from Jeffers or Valley Vet or somewhere, and inject it.. I've injected at the label dose for cattle (1ml/110lbs) to treat mites and had success -- no need to "superdose" (I think I just made that word up ) when you're injecting for mites..

Mites don't respond well to *oral* treatment with ivermectin because A) mites don't live in the GI tract, so their eradication requires them to ingest med-tainted blood, and B) orally administered ivermectin has a very poor "pharmacokinetic profile," which is just a fancified way of saying they poop most of it out and very little of it gets into the animal's bloodstream..

ETA: Do *not* use the pour-on as a pour on. If you want to dose it orally, well...some people do that, but I don't. But some people do. And if you did, it would probably at least help with any *internal* stomach/gut worms she may have...and she *does* have them, btw...even if it's not at all effective against the possible mites.

Also...sometimes mineral deficiencies cause them to go bald. Does she have access to a good quality loose mineral? And by good quality, something that says "copper sulfate" or "cupric sulfate" or "copper proteinate" or something like that instead of "copper oxide" or "cupric oxide" on the bag tag.. If you see any references to copper/cupric oxide, it's garbage.. Trash. Worthless. Dump it out and get something better.

 

[Chicos Mama]

Thank you to everyone!
I ordered some Ivermectin today from Jeffers and also so Pro-biotics for goats...figured it couldnt hurt

Also Im going to check feed tags later todayfor copper content. But her diet is now consisting of: 1 Small scoop of Purina Goat Chow, 1 small scoop of BOS, 1 very small scoop of Calf Manna feed additive per day, plus 5 CC`s of Red blood cell everyday for 7 days (were done with that now, she`s all pink again), And free feeding of Alfalfa Hay & Timothy Hay. She also has access to Loose minerals and Mineral block both. I know this sounds like alot of grain, but actually it measures less than a cup and a half in total.

This ol`gal was severly malnourised and at least 50 lbs. UNDERWEIGHT! B.T.W. She is a Nubian Queen! And You could litereally see her entire skeleton poking out of her coat at every angle when I got her.
She was partially lame and crawled on her front knees because her hoofs were so over-grown that they were growing UP into her soles. She is finally able to walk (hobble) for the first time in months! Foot-Rot also came along with this bag of tricks!

AND, AND, AND... She Miscarried 3 days after I had her!!! A**Munch Bred her! You couldnt even see that she was carrying.

And NOW THE MANGE!!! Poor lady! (She`s makin` me tired!)

She has one horn, no hair and is a now walking skin carcass.
This is the ugliest goat I have ever seen But, So much T.L.C. was needed for her that my heart broke...I actually had to beg her owner to give her to me...he said she was his " favorite"...REALLY?

After much proding...her "owner" gave her to me....Hmmpf! THANKS!

And now her journey of recovery begins! She has already put on about 7-10 lbs. in a little over 2 weeks with me.
As always I would love any advice in helping me with her recovery! Crazy old goat people that you are...I love your wisdom!
And I mean that in the most very respectful way!
Thanks again for all your help over the years!

 

[Pearce Pastures]

Gosh you are a good person to take that all on! I hope things get better-sounds like they already are

 

[20kidsonhill]

Chicos Mama: that sounded like a lot of grain to me, until you said it totaled 1 1/2 cups. Maybe I missed it, but are you referring to a full-sized nubian?

I can't help but wonder if perhaps she wouldn't benifit from a little more grain. We are feeding our 8 year old full-sized nubian does about 6 cups of grain a day at times.


I see she is 13 years old, and I am sure you do not need to upset her stomach, but I would consider very slowly going up on that amount. Maybe keeping some baking soda out for her, if you try to go up on her feed. I guess one could agrue with the hoof problems adding too much grain to her diet isn't going to help at all. Just kind of thinking out load I guess.

Good luck with her. She is very lucky to live out her life with such good care. I know she sure had to of appreciated the hoof trimming.