Ivermectin Pour-on For Cattle? **Added Pics.**

[elevan]

I've found that Calf Manna works well for putting on weight.

 

[Chicos Mama]

Thanks GOBS Guys!

Doe-Rita is making BIG strides everyday! She`s already acting as spoiled as the other two. She was so weak and couldnt walk when I brought her home, that I would carry her feed buckets and water to her...Now that she is WALKING ...She is still expecting the same treatment! LOL! She slowly just walks out of the barn, lays down in a nice comfy spot and moans at me as if to say" Sometime today Lady!...Im waaaaiting! "
And of course, I do her bidding. (Happily so I might add) Today Im going to try giving her some potatoes as a treat! (Thanks elevan!)
P.S. I already give them calf-manna added to their grain which explains the 2 Fatties with her!

I appreciate all the well wishes and help from everyone of you! I would certainly be lost without this forum.

I do have another question (or 2 or 3) if I may...

#1
Is there any people or puppy shampoo that I can use on her for her itching and BAAAD Flaking skin? She looks almost reptilian!
(Head & Shoulders perhaps?) I am unable to go to town for about a week so I need to use something I have on hand.
I thought about some lotion even, but remember I live in Arizona and with Temps. above 110 Im afraid it would encourage sunburn on her bare skin.

#2
How soon will I see any effect from the Ivermectin on her Mange issue? And how will I tell if its working?
I gave it to her on the 20th and will re-dose on the 30th but whats left of her hair is still falling out

#3
Should I give my other 2 goats a swig of Iver. just to make sure they dont get the Mange as well? Neither are showing any signs of it and she has been with me for almost 3 weeks now. They were wormed 3 months ago with Safeguard. And I also Dusted, bedding, goats, entire pen (Chickens included) with 7-dust.

Picture this: 1 plastic grocery bag...half full of 7-dust...ADD 1 really pissed off chicken ...place chicken in bag up to neck...close of bag with your hand around said chickens neck....AND SHAKE! hahahaha! My version of "SHAKE & BAKE CHICKEN!

I told ya`ll...This old gal is makin` me work for my money $$$

 

[cmjust0]

Doe-Rita is making BIG strides everyday!

#1
Is there any people or puppy shampoo that I can use on her for her itching and BAAAD Flaking skin? She looks almost reptilian!
(Head & Shoulders perhaps?) I am unable to go to town for about a week so I need to use something I have on hand.
I thought about some lotion even, but remember I live in Arizona and with Temps. above 110 Im afraid it would encourage sunburn on her bare skin.

I don't have any experience with skin like that on a goat's *back,* I have seen some pretty scaly, gnarly, nasty, mite-damaged skin on goats' legs before.. They're itchy and miserable when they're like that..

What I did was pretty typical of the kind of heartless jerk I am: I started out by making it *worse*.. I got a warm, soapy rag and wet the scabby nasty areas until they got kinda pliable -- and then I scrubbed them until they were pink and bleedy and raw and angry looking. In the medical field, they call this particular form of torture "debriding".. It's not fun work, and you'll feel really bad for doing it, but surprisingly, my experience has been that they're so incredibly itchy in those areas that it actually feels *good* to be scrubbed like that. And when you're done, you'll realize that as hurty as it looks, it actually does look better than scaly, cracked skin..

And then to keep it from just drying right back out and cracking and getting all nastified again, I put some udder balm on it. Real udder balm -- not the stuff you buy at Cracker Barrel, but *real* udder balm -- is generally somewhat antiseptic, and it's made for skin that's kinda beyond just "dry" or "chapped".. It's pretty perfect for situations like this.

Now, like I said...these were isolated-ish areas on goats' legs, so I'm not saying you should go out there and scrub your entire goat raw... But I will say that if you're looking for something to help with something 'reptilian,' as you put it...udder balm might be worth looking into.

Now, having said all that, I also believe that oil tends to work better from the inside out.. I don't know if you're already doing this, but a good way to get oil into a goat's diet is with black oil sunflower seeds.. They're very fatty, and they make for nice coats. It won't be miraculous as this particular goat is probably going to be putting fat into reserve for a while, but it would still be worthwhile.

#2
How soon will I see any effect from the Ivermectin on her Mange issue? And how will I tell if its working?
I gave it to her on the 20th and will re-dose on the 30th but whats left of her hair is still falling out

My guess is that it probably *needs* to fall out for a while yet. Are you still seeing fluid around the bad spots?? Mite damage usually leaks...or oozes...or whatever you wanna call it. You'll usually see crusty build-up of once-clear body fluid that leaked out of the damaged areas.. If the mites are done, it won't ooze much more after that.

All in all, though, it may just be a waiting game.

#3
Should I give my other 2 goats a swig of Iver. just to make sure they dont get the Mange as well? Neither are showing any signs of it and she has been with me for almost 3 weeks now. They were wormed 3 months ago with Safeguard. And I also Dusted, bedding, goats, entire pen (Chickens included) with 7-dust.

Mites tend to be an opportunistic thing. If your others are healthy, they'll probably be fine. Besides, if they don't have them now, ivermectin will do no good. It's not really a preventative type of med since it hasn't got much of a lasting effect.. I'd probably just keep an eye on them.

Picture this: 1 plastic grocery bag...half full of 7-dust...ADD 1 really pissed off chicken ...place chicken in bag up to neck...close of bag with your hand around said chickens neck....AND SHAKE! hahahaha! My version of "SHAKE & BAKE CHICKEN!

HA! I hadn't thought about anything like that, but that would probably be a really good way to dust a lousy baby goat, too!

 

[SuburbanFarmChic]

As far as lotion etc. if her hair is still falling out, and it may for a while, why not just put a good slathering of aloe and sun screen on her?

 

[arabianequine]

I would give her vit e. They make a tube of selenuim and vit e that jeffers sells. I know it has vit. e in it for sure.

What you really need is to give her a shot of vit. b complex but good luck on that. I would maybe ask around and look at your local feeds stores and ask at your vets.

 

[cmjust0]

I would give her vit e. They make a tube of selenuim and vit e that jeffers sells. I know it has vit. e in it for sure.

I wouldn't give Selenium/E gel for the vitamin E content alone.. Selenium can be toxic, and there are other ways to get E..

WHICH REMINDS ME... ... there's an injectable Vitamin E-AD which contains (you guessed it) vitamins e, a, and d. Went looking for an injectable E because I knew I'd seen *something* that had E in it, and ran across the E-AD again.. Seeing the 'A' jogged my memory on what vitamin A deficiencies can bring about.....one of which is "abnormal function of many epithelial cells, manifest by such diverse conditions as dry, scaly skin, inadequate secretion from mucosal surfaces, infertility, decreased synthesis of thyroid hormones and elevated cerebrospinal fluid pressure due to inadequate absorption in meninges." (link)

And how exactly might an animal become vitamin A deficient? From a lack of fresh green stuff and/or from poor quality hay, usually. Now, if I'm not mistaken, your in Arizona...or some other desert-ish climate...right? So I'm assuming that's where this goat is from, too.. And when I think desert, I don't think of lush, green pastures -- I think of brush, drylots, and hay. And judging by the way this goat was obviously "kept" by her previous owner, it was probably really crappy hay at that.. Hay that *may* have had all its vitamin A destroyed from being old, or mishandled...if it even had enough A in the first place.

Question....can this goat see worth a damn at night? I ask because night blindness is another symptom of vitamin A deficiency.. I'd consider trying to test that out somehow.. Like, see if you can sneak up on her in the dark or something, and judge her reaction.. (..but really..)

And just for the record, I've never ever used Vit E-AD injectable on an animal. It's green here, so no reason to.. So I can't say "Works like a champ!" -- all I can do is speculate, but I really do think this is worth speculating on for a moment. It could, afterall, make some sense..

 

[arabianequine]

@cmjust0 yeah that is the only thing I keep seeing with vit. E in it. I would think she would probably need the selenium too though? Did the op say if they have gave bose yet?

You won't give the whole tube do you? I have never used it before.

 

[cmjust0]

@cmjust0 yeah that is the only thing I keep seeing with vit. E in it. I would think she would probably need the selenium too though? Did the op say if they have gave bose yet?

You won't give the whole tube do you? I have never used it before.

I use injectable Selenium...never used a tube either, so I dunno. All I know is that Selenium isn't to be taken lightly, and I've also heard that there's not even enough E in the Sel/E preparations to really help with the Selenium absorption -- let alone do any good beyond that. I actually know of a few producers who supplement with human capsules of E when they give BoSe, and swear by it.. Vitamin E is supposed to be one of the few things that's just as good by mouth as by needle..

But who knows.. I haven't really researched it..

I mostly posted because alarm bells went off in my head when I saw the vitamin A and thought about it in regard to a scaly-skinned, desert-dwelling goat...everything just sorta clicked.

 

[cmjust0]

Ooh ooh!! Could also be a zinc deficiency!! Lack of zinc makes scaly skin, too!


Sometimes this stuff comes back to me in waves, sorry...

 

[elevan]

I've used the vit E/ Selenium tubes from Jeffers...works crappy in a pinch...unless you have NO other options I wouldn't use it.