Just got some skinny goats

[JenniferDuBay]

Most likely it was not the Safeguard, that is usually a good slow wormer. You have to worm for 3-5 days in a row and then repeat in 10 days. But the dose you gave you is what is on the package and it will not work for goats. You need to use Safeguard at 3x the listed dosage...1cc/10 lbs.

Fecal test showed barberpole worms. I'm on day 4 of worming them with safeguard. The package says it takes care of this type, but I'm just doublechecking that it does. Also, Lily has barberpole worms as well. I am not able to handle her yet-I touched her today! Do you have any suggestions on how to get her meds?

 

[babsbag]

What is the dosage you are using on the Safeguard? I don't think you can reliably get the meds in Lily unless you can catch her...always a challenge at my place too. But if you give her Ivermectin you only have to do it once vs. 5 days.

Did they give you a count on the worms or just say that they had them?

 

[Fullhousefarm]

What is the dosage you are using on the Safeguard? I don't think you can reliably get the meds in Lily unless you can catch her...always a challenge at my place too. But if you give her Ivermectin you only have to do it once vs. 5 days.

Did they give you a count on the worms or just say that they had them?

Safeguard works for some herds and not in others here in FL. If you use it for three days at least then do a fecal in 10-14 days you will know how well it worked. If it didn't take the count way down you'll need to go with something else. My vet says 1cc/10 lb on safeguard- not the dose on the package. One vet says one dose, another vet says days in a row. Difference of opinion there.

My vet has recommended Quest (horse wormer tube is under $20) for BP worms. 1cc/100 lbs (can slightly overdose with no problems.) I use 1/2 cc for my Nigerians and juniors under 50# (most are probably closer to 40-45#) and 1 cc for the ones that re 75# and up. I measure it into a syringe and give orally. One dose, then repeat in 10-12 days if needed. You can buy goat drench of the same chemical (cydectin) but it's a lot more $$. Valbazen has worked in our herd as well. We use 1cc/20 lb dose.

 

[babsbag]

@Fullhousefarm and @Green Acres Farm

Remember that the pregnancy status of Myrtle and possibly Lilly is unknown so that limits some of the wormers. I don't know which ones without looking it up. Do either of you know?

Ivermectin has always worked for me and I seldom have to use anything so I am not a worm guru.

 

[Fullhousefarm]

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@Fullhousefarm and @Green Acres Farm

Remember that the pregnancy status of Myrtle and possibly Lilly is unknown so that limits some of the wormers. I don't know which ones without looking it up. Do either of you know?

Ivermectin has always worked for me and I seldom have to use anything so I am not a worm guru.

Unfortunately Florida is just horrible for parasites. No freeze, wet all the time and hot. At least in CA you get the dry heat and they die.

Valbazen in a big NO during pregnancy, though it's supposed to be safe in the last month. I don' know anyone who actually advises it. Cydectin, Ivermectin, Safeguard are all fine for bred does.

@babsbag - I grew up in Redding. Totally different hot between there and here, but better than cold any day!

ETA: Here is my favorite place for worm info overall. Scientific and evidence based. http://www.wormx.info/

 

[lalabugs]

http://fiascofarm.com/goats/wormers.htm has a list of wormers and does say what are safe for pregnant does.

 

[JenniferDuBay]

@Fullhousefarm and @Green Acres Farm

Remember that the pregnancy status of Myrtle and possibly Lilly is unknown so that limits some of the wormers. I don't know which ones without looking it up. Do either of you know?

Ivermectin has always worked for me and I seldom have to use anything so I am not a worm guru.

@Fullhousefarm @Green Acres Farm etc

Myrtle was wormed last week, with safeguard, so I shouldn't need to worry for another week or so? Either way, I'll dose her and do a fecal run then. Lily is only 5 months, could she actually be pregnant? I think I'm starting to see what 'skinny' looks like on a goat, there's a dip under her hip bone, but she's had almost nothing but hay for the past 3 days due to not being tame- Could that lead to that dip, and more importantly, I know you can't really tell when a goat is pregnant, is that true when she's skinny? And, for that matter, if a goat can be pregnant at 5 months, Petunia could be pregnant as well, she's a complete unknown as far as history goes. It's going to be a fun surprise in... *checks watch* anywhere from now until 149 days from now.

Also, I'm really wondering about Petunia. She seems so, so, so skinny compared to Lily and Myrtle. She's just got this huge barrel gut to her, (and what is with that? The other two don't) but nothing at all on her neck and legs. I can feel the bones on her spine. I was giving her a cup in the morning and at night when I came on here to ask about it, she still has solid poo, and I raised her intake to 1.5 cups yesterday. Today she had a poo that was less well formed, but not watery, just like the pebbles stuck together... sort of like (sorry for the mental picture) a nut log? Should I cut back to 1 cup again?

 

[JenniferDuBay]

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Unfortunately Florida is just horrible for parasites. No freeze, wet all the time and hot. At least in CA you get the dry heat and they die.

Valbazen in a big NO during pregnancy, though it's supposed to be safe in the last month. I don' know anyone who actually advises it. Cydectin, Ivermectin, Safeguard are all fine for bred does.

@babsbag - I grew up in Redding. Totally different hot between there and here, but better than cold any day!

ETA: Here is my favorite place for worm info overall. Scientific and evidence based. http://www.wormx.info/

I let Lily's previous owners know about her worm status, in case they wanted to worm their goats. They told me she'd been wormed with Cydectin oral sheep drench on the 4th of july. Can I give her another dose of that, or is it too soon?

 

[babsbag]

You can worm her again, often they tell you to repeat the worming in 10 days so you should be fine.

@Fullhousefarm A few years back I spent a few weeks in AL in July and Oct. and a weekend in Florida in May. Sorry, I'll take my cold over your humidity any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I love our weather. I lived in a more temperate part of the state for 23 years and I do miss not being able to reliably grow citrus and some stone fruits, and some flowers, like fuchsias. But I still enjoy the very warm summer evenings with no wind that I never had before. CA born and raised and most likely died.

 

[Latestarter]

DIED?!?! HUH? You some sort of zombie goat mistress? I could accept WILL die... Well, maybe not accept, but understand.