Keeping coyotes away....?

[babsbag]

That is sad about the dogs. I know the coyotes are smart and will tease like that. I guess that is why I like the hot wire AND the dog as it gives the dogs some protection while trying to convince the coyote to stay away. I agree that the bullet would be the best way. I have also read that they more they are hunted they more they will reproduce. Only the alpha females are allowed to breed unless the pack feels it is under attack and then the lesser ones are allowed to breed too. That is no win situation if it true.

 

[Bossroo]

You are thinking about the wolves where the alpha female is the one to breed in the pack. In coyotes, all of the females breed on as they are not pack animals as a social group during breeding season but in pairs. They do their hunting as individuals. They come together in family groups after the pups are raised for twice a night on their nightly community sings to keep track of their whereabouts. My neighbor, who owns the 10,000 acre ranch, has seen as many as 60 to 70+/- on one gathering for an early morning community sing along. He was shocked. When the local Game Wardens were told of this , they thought he was lying or exagerating at best. I have personally seen about 20 +/- on a morning community sing in mid November when we were suddenly woken up just before 5 AM on the dry creek bank ( creek is about 70 ft. wide) on my own property just about 20 yards from our house. Similar to some eastern States' Game Wardens NOT believing that there are mountain lions (cougars) in those States, Yea , right !

 

[MsDeb]

No men around here other than DH and I couldn't pay him to do it.

Geez, where are you? Let me send in some reinforcements. I can't get any guys here to "go" in the house. My nine year old grandson would happily hire out to pee in buckets.

 

[BrownSheep]

We haven't had any issues with coyotes and in our experience they won't go after fully grown sheep. I raise rambouillets who might just be a bit bigger than your baby dolls . We are sandwiched between two packs that, for the most part, stay away from our dogs. The only sheep they've eaten are the ones in our bone yard.

I would just leave your dog as is. The second thing I might try is a radio and flood light.

That being said West vs is East is different. Ours have a lot more room to hunt and rabbits and deer are a lot easier to eat than fighting with our dogs for our lambs. I haven't heard of packs going after horses especially those kept near a house. They even tend to leave cows alone barring sick of calving animals.

 

[babsbag]

Our western coyotes have been known to help a horse deliver the foals which as you can imagine never ends well. I haven't heard of any going after horses at other times but wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Maybe it is the wolves, I honestly don't know, it was in a fiction book I was reading and they were referencing coyotes, but again the book was fiction so maybe all the "facts" were too.

The only coyotes I have actually seen have been alone but I do hear them all around us and they are obviously not alone. One county near my used to allow hunting by helicopter but that has been stopped. It really bothers me that the rancher can't take whatever measure needed to protect what is his. But then OR-7 (wolf) can come along and do any thing he wants and we are all at the mercy of the Gov't. I know the he is not a lone wolf anymore, funny how that lone wolf suddenly found a mate.

 

[secuono]

GPs aren't for attacking, they and the Maremma are more of barking and false charging types of LGD. You need the more 'hard core' LGDs that Russia or South Africa has, those dogs go after, hunt down and kill predators. Best to have a mixed pack, ones that stay with the flock and bark, then others that are more aggressive and chase them down.
If you really Google it, you'll find tons of articles about this.

If I didn't have 3 pet dogs as well, I would get another LGD and it would be one of the more aggressive types, but not all the way to hard core, I believe that would be excessive in my particular situation.

My Babydoll adults are lambs compared to other breeds of sheep, they would be easy dinner.

As I see it, coyotes are like smart, beefy dogs gone feral. Kind of like dingos. I believe in all States, coyotes are considered a pest and you are allowed to hunt and kill them as you wish. At least you can here.

I don't know what makes them a pest, but not the wolves. But killing everything just because we are hogging all of their land isn't right either.

 

[BrownSheep]

They are pests where I am from as well. And are typically shot if somebody has a gun. That being said. Ours haven't caused issues so we typically leave them be. Our St. bernard apparently ran one off yesterday when our dogs went to go roll in a dead sheep.

@babsbag Idaho is the same but our wildlife officers tend to be a bit more sympathetic. I even went to one presentation were they explained why reintroducing wolves was one of the crappiest ideas. We can shoot them if they are in the process of killing livestock but not for just being in the presence of livestock. Which is ridiculous wolves will kill livestock if they are around livestock. The yuppies up in our resort areas like to argue they only kill to eat...uh suuuuuure.

 

[babsbag]

well the might only kill to eat, but they still kill since they have to eat so what is that argument supposed to mean. Let them eat their designer dogs and leave our livelihood alone.

We have been told that it doesn't matter what this particular wolf does. He can kill while we watch and no one is to touch him. He is wearing a radio collar too so they know where he visited last. It is a huge fine and prison time if he is harmed.

The closest he has been to me is about 75 miles but now he has a mate and pups so you know that the territory will expand. Thankfully there is a lot of inhabitants between me and him so hopefully he will never make it to my side of the county.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

Our western coyotes have been known to help a horse deliver the foals which as you can imagine never ends well. I haven't heard of any going after horses at other times but wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Maybe it is the wolves, I honestly don't know, it was in a fiction book I was reading and they were referencing coyotes, but again the book was fiction so maybe all the "facts" were too.

My horse trainer has lived down here where I am for 35 years and she has seen this firsthand more times than she cares to remember with coyotes and foals.

I only have about 5 acres to protect, but I have 3 LGD's because I think it would help if the coyotes ever tried to start something; they couldn't lure just one lone LGD away, they'd at least have a fight on their hands with three.

 

[Bryan99705]

Drop poison on every carcass you come across.