Keeping expenses down

cmjust0

True BYH Addict
Joined
Jul 10, 2009
Messages
3,279
Reaction score
9
Points
221
kimmyh said:
Chaffhay is NOT fermented, it is chopped alfalfa that is mixed with wet molasses and stored in an air tight bay of 50lbs.
Sounds like haylage or silage.. Anaerobic bacteria convert sugars to something else (acids, or starch, maybe, as someone suggested) while aerobic bacteria consume whatever oxygen was left after it was compacted. When it's all done, the bacteria should either starve or suffocate and the whole pit (or bale, or bag, or whatever) should basically become sterile. Which, of course, is why it doesn't rot or break down any further..

If it doesn't go just right, though, you just get moldy hay instead of silage. To my knowledge, most cases of listeriosis in goats can be tied back to the consumption of moldy feed or hay.

Listeriosis is something I've never had the misfortune of having to treat, nor do I wish to.. I have, however, seen a listeriosis survivor who was blind in one eye and -- as best we could figure -- was left without feeling in her face to the point that she literally dunked her muzzle up to the eyesockets in the water trough when she needed a drink. I think she really couldn't feel the water, so she'd just keep putting her muzzle in the trough, ever so slowly, until she could actually guage the horizontal plane of the waterline with her one good eye.

Obviously, that's not something I want to mess around with.

As such, I like for my hay to be nice and dry, personally.. Not leaf-shattering dry to the point of decreasing the quality, of course, but dry enough that I don't have to worry doing a 'pat down' to check each flake for white powder..
 

trestlecreek

Overrun with beasties
Joined
Aug 8, 2009
Messages
446
Reaction score
0
Points
84
Beekissed,...yes, I agree, the type of work the goat does should be included with the picture. These goats should be getting much more feed to maintain condition compared to one that is dry/open/out of season.

We shouldn't be able to tell by a picture that an animal is being worked if it is being maintained appropriately.

Show animals will physical look more appealing due to correct confirmation, but correct body condition can be achieved on any animal regardless.
 

Blackbird

Chillin' with the herd
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
42
Reaction score
0
Points
27
Hey Kimmy.

I never said it was cheap! Which is why people like Freemotion ferment their own food for their animals!

Too bad that breeder's animals weren't in good condition. I wonder what else she fed them and how she raised them.
 

kimmyh

Overrun with beasties
Joined
Sep 1, 2009
Messages
335
Reaction score
0
Points
78
kimmyh said:
I know a breeder who uses Chaffhay and the condition of her goats reflects the product-not ideal, there is no waste, but at what cost? Chaffhay is more expensive than traditional hay in my area, even if I became a wholesaler (I looked into when the product first came out). Chaffhay is NOT fermented, it is chopped alfalfa that is mixed with wet molasses and stored in an air tight bay of 50lbs.
Yes, because it is sealed in plastic it tends to ferment/break down. The real issue here is the lack of condition seen on farms that use this product as their hay source for goats. It is great for horses, but the does I have seen post kidding look like walking skeletons.
 

Kala

Exploring the pasture
Joined
Mar 21, 2011
Messages
23
Reaction score
0
Points
22
I know this is an old thread, but very interesting for a new goat owner (such as myself) to see the different ways people raise their animals based on what they are keeping them for, their geographical area and just their own personal opinions.

:thumbsup
 

savingdogs

Overrun with beasties
Joined
Aug 30, 2009
Messages
551
Reaction score
2
Points
89
Location
SW WA
I'm glad you liked it, Kala, there is a lot of good information in this forum if you go searching for topics.
 

aggieterpkatie

The Shepherd
Joined
Oct 23, 2009
Messages
3,696
Reaction score
11
Points
156
This is a pretty entertaining thread. Funny that some people worry so much about feeding fermented feed. As it was said late in the thread, silage and haylage/baleage is fermented and is probably the most common feed for dairy animals in this country. :p
 

savingdogs

Overrun with beasties
Joined
Aug 30, 2009
Messages
551
Reaction score
2
Points
89
Location
SW WA
Very true! I find it very interesting to look back at this thread and realize how much I've learned here and on the internet forums in general about goats. A lot of information to sift through, but if you keep working at it you eventually find what works for you. I'm still in the process but it has been very helpful this whole time to have online friends ready to help! :love
 
Top