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I didn’t know watch the video but the images and conversation made me think of “The Hunt for Red October.”
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I didn’t know watch the video but the images and conversation made me think of “The Hunt for Red October.”
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Bruce, I think I first saw that video in "A" school in Millington,TN where I first started learning the basics (1976). For those interested, if you go to 1:52/10:28/11:56/etc, you will see the actual Sensor Stations on a P-3A/B/C Orion aircraft. I started out in the left seat there (SS2) and once experienced, became a SS1 and moved to the right seat. Man did that bring back memories. Take my word for it... we found a few submarines 
Always an awesome feeling to count coup on a sub that didn't know we were there. I never did any ASW missions on S-3 aircraft or the SH2 helo (small boys), but did do some missions on the larger H3 aircraft. I briefed/debriefed the S-3 crews on the carrier.
Always an awesome feeling to count coup on a sub that didn't know we were there. I never did any ASW missions on S-3 aircraft or the SH2 helo (small boys), but did do some missions on the larger H3 aircraft. I briefed/debriefed the S-3 crews on the carrier.
greybeard
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I don't think so, if the text introduction is correct (I didn't watch it all).
Definitely during Zumwalt Navy tho.
That USS Spruance DDG-111, wasn't commissioned until the autumn of 2011.
Maybe they meant DD-963, a different USS Spruance that was predominantly for ASW, commissioned Sept 75 but DD-963 didn't do anything outside Gulf of Mexico in shakedown and sea/builder trials until late 76, early 77. I'm pretty sure DD963's first Atlantic cruise was in late '77 as according to www.hullnumber, her 1st shellback initiation wasn't Feb 78. (Atlantic)
I was on DD-964, just 5 months behind lead ship of the class Spruance and it didn't deploy to WestPac/Indian Ocean until the Fall of '78.
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RollingAcres
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@Latestarter I "jumped" in your journal a few weeks back but today I decided to read it from the beginning. Page 1 done, 470 more pages to go! lol
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Welcome to the mundane @RollingAcres GB, Zumwalt was made Chief of Naval Operations in 1970. He retired in 1974. He was already gone when I enlisted. That youtube was a redo of the original with enhanced color. I may be mistaken, but pretty sure I saw it at some point pretty early in my career during training. No matter. brought back memories regardless. Also gives folks here who may be interested a chance to see what I did during my early years.
GB, Zumwalt was made Chief of Naval Operations in 1970. He retired in 1974. He was already gone when I enlisted. That youtube was a redo of the original with enhanced color. I may be mistaken, but pretty sure I saw it at some point pretty early in my career during training. No matter. brought back memories regardless. Also gives folks here who may be interested a chance to see what I did during my early years.
greybeard
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Zumie may have been gone, but Zgrams 57 and 70 stuck around for quite awhile afterwards, as did the civilian clothing thing. It wasn't until mid 80s that USN surface Navy and Naval Air got rid of Zumie's beards/
It was a real culture shock when I left the Corps and went into the Navy. When I got off the plane in GTMO, I thought I had landed in a commune full of dang hippies...
It was a real culture shock when I left the Corps and went into the Navy. When I got off the plane in GTMO, I thought I had landed in a commune full of dang hippies...
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Not sure why you refer to them as "Zumie's beards"... sailors had beards throughout history. 
I couldn't (and still can't) grow one, so no skin off my face, but a nicely kept beard doesn't look bad at all IMHO. I do agree that those who can't (couldn't) grow and maintain one... shouldn't. When I lived in cooler climates, I always grew out a gaotee in the fall and shaved it off in the early summer. It becomes uncomfortable in warm/hot weather.
I don't understand the issue with long(er) hair either. I mean men and women are supposed to be "equal" right? And if a woman can do a man's job, then she should be allowed to. And equal pay for equal work. And all the other one liners. So why are men required to keep their hair high and tight and women aren't? Prior to my service, I always had long hair. I no longer care for it, but don't see how it affects the ability of a person to do most jobs. If a man can't have long hair because it is unsafe in his particular occupation, then a woman in the same occupation should not have long hair either.
Navy was a real druggie place in the late 70s early 80s as well. Hold over from Nam I guess as well as what was happening out in the world. I was actually glad to see the drug testing get serious and although zero tolerance definitely helped eliminate the problem, it also ended the careers of a few folks who had false positive tests. I feel bad for them as they got royally screwed. And there was no right of appeal.
I couldn't (and still can't) grow one, so no skin off my face, but a nicely kept beard doesn't look bad at all IMHO. I do agree that those who can't (couldn't) grow and maintain one... shouldn't. When I lived in cooler climates, I always grew out a gaotee in the fall and shaved it off in the early summer. It becomes uncomfortable in warm/hot weather.I don't understand the issue with long(er) hair either. I mean men and women are supposed to be "equal" right? And if a woman can do a man's job, then she should be allowed to. And equal pay for equal work. And all the other one liners. So why are men required to keep their hair high and tight and women aren't?
Prior to my service, I always had long hair. I no longer care for it, but don't see how it affects the ability of a person to do most jobs. If a man can't have long hair because it is unsafe in his particular occupation, then a woman in the same occupation should not have long hair either.Navy was a real druggie place in the late 70s early 80s as well. Hold over from Nam I guess as well as what was happening out in the world. I was actually glad to see the drug testing get serious and although zero tolerance definitely helped eliminate the problem, it also ended the careers of a few folks who had false positive tests. I feel bad for them as they got royally screwed. And there was no right of appeal.
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Been VERY dry here. Had a little thunder and lightning a couple of nights ago and it rained a few really big drops for like 2 minutes... Nothing that could even be measured, barely wet the ground. There's a nice front line moving this way but it looks like the northern portion that would get to me is breaking north while the remainder moves due east.That means it's going to miss me to either side. Looks like @Baymule might see a bit perhaps, and maybe @Devonviolet as both of them are south of me.
My ankles and slightly up my calves are so itchy! So are my forearms. I've been letting the goats out of the fenced pasture to access other areas. I have & attach three 25 foot leads to them with clips on both ends, so 6 of the adult goats are tethered, 2 to a lead. Of course they always run as a herd so they are constantly getting themselves tangled in the brush as well as with each other. But it does allow me to catch them and move them when needed. So, while untangling, I invariably get them wrapping the plastic coated wire around my ankles. I finally realized why and how I'm getting poison ivy/oak all around my ankles!
The danged goats are dragging the wire through all of that stuff! I then get the oils all over my ankles and hands from handling the wire.
I spent the past 2 afternoons mowing. I start about 2:30-3pm after the main heat of the day. I can't really start early morning as the dew makes the grass too wet. I mow till about 7:30-8pm, then do goat chores, then dog chores, then shower, then eat. So I'm pretty beat by 10pm. I spend most of the morning dozing in front of the TV or here at the computer to make up for the sleep I didn't get all night. heading over to visit @Devonviolet here in about an hour, so don't know that I'll be mowing this afternoon or not. Probably not, especially (and I hope it does) if the rain actually happens here. The front and about 1/2 the back pasture is done.
My ankles and slightly up my calves are so itchy! So are my forearms. I've been letting the goats out of the fenced pasture to access other areas. I have & attach three 25 foot leads to them with clips on both ends, so 6 of the adult goats are tethered, 2 to a lead. Of course they always run as a herd so they are constantly getting themselves tangled in the brush as well as with each other. But it does allow me to catch them and move them when needed. So, while untangling, I invariably get them wrapping the plastic coated wire around my ankles. I finally realized why and how I'm getting poison ivy/oak all around my ankles!
The danged goats are dragging the wire through all of that stuff! I then get the oils all over my ankles and hands from handling the wire. I spent the past 2 afternoons mowing. I start about 2:30-3pm after the main heat of the day. I can't really start early morning as the dew makes the grass too wet. I mow till about 7:30-8pm, then do goat chores, then dog chores, then shower, then eat. So I'm pretty beat by 10pm. I spend most of the morning dozing in front of the TV or here at the computer to make up for the sleep I didn't get all night.
heading over to visit @Devonviolet here in about an hour, so don't know that I'll be mowing this afternoon or not. Probably not, especially (and I hope it does) if the rain actually happens here. The front and about 1/2 the back pasture is done.
Mike CHS
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I usually get into Poison Ivy unintentionally but if I'm weed eating and take the time to take a good look at what's there I put on some Ivyblock lotion. We get it from Amazon but it has been awhile.
If I still get some on me I immediately jump in the shower and use Ivy Off soap.
If I still get some on me I immediately jump in the shower and use Ivy Off soap.
greybeard
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You aren't?
Probably because beards in the modern USN hadn't been commonplace for surface enlisted personnel since before you and I were born and I never saw beards on USN enlisted prior to Zumie. Even on the riverine navy I saw in Vietnam, where fresh water was scarce and discipline relaxed, beards were a rarity. I didn't see any on Sanctuary either.
Zumwalt said it was ok, and it took off and was often abused, which is hwy he had to issue ZGram70. I had a seaman working for me in engineering that kept his hair up in a bun under his cover aboard ship, but let it down when he went ashore. He and his hair was pretty popular among a certain indigenous demographic when we made port of call to Sembawang Singapore. He cut it back before we made it out to the sea bouy.
That was the first time I had ever seen a manbun..on a man.
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