loose mineral or mineral block

[MommaBugg]

I am wondering if should go ahead and give my pregnant doe a dose of this selenium E gel.. I have no idea when she will kid.. I was given two conflicting due dates for her.. I was first told late march to mid april, then the breeder called and said she could go any day now... I think she just wanted to get rid of her.. So she could kid in 2-4 weeks... she has a small udder still and though she is big herself she just doesnt look like she could go any sooner, but I am no expert.

Would it do any harm to give her the selenium gel even if she kids a week later? I just dont want sick weak kids.

 

[20kidsonhill]

no harm at all, infact you could give it to her now and if she doesn't kid give it to her again in 2 or 3 weeks, the gel isn't as potent as the injectable and way harder to overdose.

 

[MommaBugg]

no harm at all, infact you could give it to her now and if she doesn't kid give it to her again in 2 or 3 weeks, the gel isn't as potent as the injectable and way harder to overdose.

THANKS! I will be doing that today! So the babies will get some gel right after theyre born? or wait a few days?

 

[20kidsonhill]

no harm at all, infact you could give it to her now and if she doesn't kid give it to her again in 2 or 3 weeks, the gel isn't as potent as the injectable and way harder to overdose.

THANKS! I will be doing that today! So the babies will get some gel right after theyre born? or wait a few days?

I only do the bo-se shots, if the kids appear weak legged in any way. If they are strong and healthy I wait until weaing, and then give a bo-se shot. But I know there are lots of farms that give extra selenium to all their new borns. So I guess that would be up to you.

 

[SDBoerGoats]

Bo-se (injectable version) for sure works, and works quickly. I wouldn't want to raise goats with out it. We use loose goat minerals and keep them out all the time and still do 2 shots of Bo-se a year on our adult animal. One shot before we breed them and one 30 days before they kid. And if I am not sure when they are going to kid or I give the bo-se too soon, I give it again 30 days later, if they still haven't kidded. I personally, think it makes a huge difference in the strength of the kids. I have never used the gel, we don't have any problem going to the vet in town and just buying injectable from them. $16.00 a bottle for us. Worth every penny.

Oh and sweetlix meatmaker is a fantastic loose mineral, our co-op doesn't offer it any longer so we went with the brand that they have been recommending and we are happy with it. But I really like the sweet-lix brand. We try to support our co-op as much as possible, because they are big supporters of the 4H programs in the area.



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I so agree with you about the Bo-se injectable. We always had a bottle around for years when we were training horses all the time, so many were deficient. I called a friend who raises goats too and she brought over 2 injections of Bo-se for me, I gave the little doeling a shot and you could almost see her hind leg getting stronger. She went from dragging a bum leg behind her to the next morning barely a sign of anything different. Today you can't tell which leg it was. I just bought a bottle last week, my vet charged $28! I am having trouble finding Sweetlix Meat Maker lately too, I am almost out and called the feed store I always get it from, and they are out and don't know when they'll get any in. I don't know what to use instead if they don't get it soon. They carry VigorTone but I looked online and the ingredients don't compare to Sweetlix. It only has 7.00 selenium and 425 Copper compared to Sweetlix which has 50 ppm Selenium and 1810 Copper. BIG difference!

 

[20kidsonhill]

Bo-se (injectable version) for sure works, and works quickly. I wouldn't want to raise goats with out it. We use loose goat minerals and keep them out all the time and still do 2 shots of Bo-se a year on our adult animal. One shot before we breed them and one 30 days before they kid. And if I am not sure when they are going to kid or I give the bo-se too soon, I give it again 30 days later, if they still haven't kidded. I personally, think it makes a huge difference in the strength of the kids. I have never used the gel, we don't have any problem going to the vet in town and just buying injectable from them. $16.00 a bottle for us. Worth every penny.

Oh and sweetlix meatmaker is a fantastic loose mineral, our co-op doesn't offer it any longer so we went with the brand that they have been recommending and we are happy with it. But I really like the sweet-lix brand. We try to support our co-op as much as possible, because they are big supporters of the 4H programs in the area.



I

I so agree with you about the Bo-se injectable. We always had a bottle around for years when we were training horses all the time, so many were deficient. I called a friend who raises goats too and she brought over 2 injections of Bo-se for me, I gave the little doeling a shot and you could almost see her hind leg getting stronger. She went from dragging a bum leg behind her to the next morning barely a sign of anything different. Today you can't tell which leg it was. I just bought a bottle last week, my vet charged $28! I am having trouble finding Sweetlix Meat Maker lately too, I am almost out and called the feed store I always get it from, and they are out and don't know when they'll get any in. I don't know what to use instead if they don't get it soon. They carry VigorTone but I looked online and the ingredients don't compare to Sweetlix. It only has 7.00 selenium and 425 Copper compared to Sweetlix which has 50 ppm Selenium and 1810 Copper. BIG difference!

call around and try to find another feed store, Tractor supply store, or farm choice. We are lucky we have a lot of choices, but maybe there is another store you could do business with.
CArgill Right Now Onyx is a good one, if you can find a dealer in your area http://www.cargill.com/feed/species/beef-cattle/Products/right-now-minerals/right-now-onyx/index.jsp
Ultralyx Is pretty good: http://www.ultralyx.com/products/Goats/f5_loose-minerals.aspx

It sounds like you know what you are looking for as far as quality of mineral.

 

[SDBoerGoats]

Bo-se (injectable version) for sure works, and works quickly. I wouldn't want to raise goats with out it. We use loose goat minerals and keep them out all the time and still do 2 shots of Bo-se a year on our adult animal. One shot before we breed them and one 30 days before they kid. And if I am not sure when they are going to kid or I give the bo-se too soon, I give it again 30 days later, if they still haven't kidded. I personally, think it makes a huge difference in the strength of the kids. I have never used the gel, we don't have any problem going to the vet in town and just buying injectable from them. $16.00 a bottle for us. Worth every penny.

Oh and sweetlix meatmaker is a fantastic loose mineral, our co-op doesn't offer it any longer so we went with the brand that they have been recommending and we are happy with it. But I really like the sweet-lix brand. We try to support our co-op as much as possible, because they are big supporters of the 4H programs in the area.



I

I so agree with you about the Bo-se injectable. We always had a bottle around for years when we were training horses all the time, so many were deficient. I called a friend who raises goats too and she brought over 2 injections of Bo-se for me, I gave the little doeling a shot and you could almost see her hind leg getting stronger. She went from dragging a bum leg behind her to the next morning barely a sign of anything different. Today you can't tell which leg it was. I just bought a bottle last week, my vet charged $28! I am having trouble finding Sweetlix Meat Maker lately too, I am almost out and called the feed store I always get it from, and they are out and don't know when they'll get any in. I don't know what to use instead if they don't get it soon. They carry VigorTone but I looked online and the ingredients don't compare to Sweetlix. It only has 7.00 selenium and 425 Copper compared to Sweetlix which has 50 ppm Selenium and 1810 Copper. BIG difference!

call around and try to find another feed store, Tractor supply store, or farm choice. We are lucky we have a lot of choices, but maybe there is another store you could do business with.
CArgill Right Now Onyx is a good one, if you can find a dealer in your area http://www.cargill.com/feed/species/beef-cattle/Products/right-now-minerals/right-now-onyx/index.jsp
Ultralyx Is pretty good: http://www.ultralyx.com/products/Goats/f5_loose-minerals.aspx

It sounds like you know what you are looking for as far as quality of mineral.

Thanks, I try 20K! I know raising horses all these years how important minerals and selenium are. The first person I bought my first doelings from told me about Sweetlix and told me it was the best goat mineral, he was really good at making sure I was given lots of good information. I have been able to buy 2 bags of it, and now it's gone! Looking online I saw that it was sold to Ultralyx, which appears to not be out here on the West Coast. I just talked to one of my feed dealers, who went to the warehouse to read labels for me, and it looks like they one with the same copper and selenium amounts. I am on my way there now with my little tag and will see if this is close! If I fed myself as well as my dogs, horses and goats my hair might shine like theirs!

 

[SDBoerGoats]

20K, just got back from the feed store and found a comparable goat mineral to Sweetlix! Made by CHS. Payback 16:8 Goat Mineral plus. Has almost identical ingredients, same copper and selenium. Boy was I happy. Picked up a couple of protein blocks while I was at it. This is the same company that makes the Boer Goat Developer that I have always fed too. Glad someone picked it up.

 

[MommaBugg]

OK the best I could find at TSC was Producers Pride Range Minerals, It had the highest Se at 12.00 ppm, and the ONLY one with copper with 650.00 ppm. It is actually intended for cattle, but the Producers Pride minerals that had a goat head on it had NO copper and even less selenium. Though it also had a sheep head on it too, so I suppose thats why it contained no copper.. We are looking for better feed supply stores around here. But until we find better minerals, should I keep giving them a monthly dose of th Selenium + E paste?

What are the ideal numbers I should be looking for as far as Selenium and copper?

 

[20kidsonhill]

It is labeled Co-op forage-master goat mineral for meat goats on pasture


the mineral we are using has 1,700 pppm min. and 2,100 ppm max. for copper
and 80 ppm for selenium

The copper is in the form of copper lysine and copper sulfate
and the selenium is in the form of sodium selenite.

There is a big warning on this product to not allow you goats to consume more than .31 ounces per head per day, because of the high amounts of selenium in it.

We have been very happy with this product.