bonbean01
Herd Master
She's so beautiful!!! Has to make it a little easier knowing she is going to a great home!!!
"Minnie" blurb (Pup #3) PICS!!!
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Southern by choice
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Bon, when I come for a visit I will need to bring a pyr with me. You will be hooked for life! 
...and yes... she has gone to a wonderful home and that makes me so very happy!
...and yes... she has gone to a wonderful home and that makes me so very happy!
Beekissed
Herd Master
It would be so hard to let them go!!!! They are simply beautiful! I love how you are actively training them...I've never heard of anyone in these parts doing that. I find that to be an integral part of raising the breed and especially if selling offspring. So many people have a mistaken idea of how this breed is supposed to perform and they often wind up getting killed on the road, shot by other farmers, tied up or given away because they didn't do what they were "supposed to do".
They don't put any acclimatization time in with them, no training, no nothing...just turn young pups in with the livestock and think that's going to work. I've seen a lot of great dogs go down that road and it's bad.
I'm so pleased to read about a breeder with integrity and devotion to the finished pup and being careful about where they go...that would be the part that would be hard for me, trusting someone else to keep them well.
Do you have a return program for those who no longer want your pups or cannot manage the breed? I know that some breeders do and I think that is a great option.
They don't put any acclimatization time in with them, no training, no nothing...just turn young pups in with the livestock and think that's going to work. I've seen a lot of great dogs go down that road and it's bad.
I'm so pleased to read about a breeder with integrity and devotion to the finished pup and being careful about where they go...that would be the part that would be hard for me, trusting someone else to keep them well.
Do you have a return program for those who no longer want your pups or cannot manage the breed? I know that some breeders do and I think that is a great option.
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Southern by choice
Herd Master
Short answer- yes
I do have a contract with each pup and they are individual. I try very hard to make sure the dogs are placed properly from the get go. I really am not "into" the breeding thing... I would much rather take a pup that someone got at 6-8 weeks and train it up with our parent stock til 12 weeks.
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Southern by choice
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This is an example of a preliminary evaluation...
Full evaluations are done at 12 weeks, pup has had preliminary evaluation at 10 weeks.
Pup #2 has been evaluated as having strong patroller instincts. She does well with other guardians and prefers the company of her canine companions. Independent, yet will do best when paired with a watcher, not recommended to be paired with another patroller. This pup has been evaluated for placement as a second dog, not a lone LGD. Pup will do well in a small to medium farm environment with daily human contact.
~Submits to parent stock, easily corrects, and submits to livestock (goats) without issue.
~Pup will submit quickly to handler and takes correction well.
~Pup is friendly and acclimated to family farm life and will do well with continued socialization.
~Aggression or hardness was not observed in Pup.
~Timidity was not observed in pup.
~Pup does not startle during noise test to include shotgun blasts close by.
~Pup is very inquisitive and playful and will amuse herself in appropriate ways.
~Pup has never displayed playfulness or aggressiveness toward livestock.
~Pup has had poultry in with her full time.
~Pup shows good problem solving.
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Because this is preliminary it is not detailed and this is a basic recommendation. Of course the environment and handling will always affect a dog in the long term. For example this dog wouldn't be considered a lead dog, and it will always do best with another dog yet the potential for this pup to become highly bonded to it's humans is great. That would not be a negative as loyalty to farm and family can and often does bring out the best in the dog.
Preliminary evals for Pups 1 and 3 will follow...
Full evaluations are done at 12 weeks, pup has had preliminary evaluation at 10 weeks.
Pup #2 has been evaluated as having strong patroller instincts. She does well with other guardians and prefers the company of her canine companions. Independent, yet will do best when paired with a watcher, not recommended to be paired with another patroller. This pup has been evaluated for placement as a second dog, not a lone LGD. Pup will do well in a small to medium farm environment with daily human contact.
~Submits to parent stock, easily corrects, and submits to livestock (goats) without issue.
~Pup will submit quickly to handler and takes correction well.
~Pup is friendly and acclimated to family farm life and will do well with continued socialization.
~Aggression or hardness was not observed in Pup.
~Timidity was not observed in pup.
~Pup does not startle during noise test to include shotgun blasts close by.
~Pup is very inquisitive and playful and will amuse herself in appropriate ways.
~Pup has never displayed playfulness or aggressiveness toward livestock.
~Pup has had poultry in with her full time.
~Pup shows good problem solving.
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Because this is preliminary it is not detailed and this is a basic recommendation. Of course the environment and handling will always affect a dog in the long term. For example this dog wouldn't be considered a lead dog, and it will always do best with another dog yet the potential for this pup to become highly bonded to it's humans is great. That would not be a negative as loyalty to farm and family can and often does bring out the best in the dog.
Preliminary evals for Pups 1 and 3 will follow...
Mike CHS
Herd Master
I had read on your site that you offer training for pups but I imagine you are aware how much training you are already providing prospective LGD owners.
I really appreciate your posts on how you are rearing the pups.
I really appreciate your posts on how you are rearing the pups.
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- #107
Southern by choice
Herd Master
Thank You.
I love these dogs so much that words cannot describe the feelings I have about them. Their loyalty and faithfulness is beyond compare. They can be a handful given their stubborn independent nature and I hate to see these dogs reshuffled over and over because of simple mistakes and things that could have been corrected early and weren't.
Some LGD's take little work others much more but having the love and passion is key.
When a pup is in for training there is definitely a piece of my heart forever connected... sounds all corny I know but it is true. I love them like my own and am proud of them when I get reports back as well as pictures. Those that get their first LGD (especially a pyr) are so taken that they drive everyone crazy because no matter how many dogs you've owned there is nothing that can compare... and others don't get it til they have one. I have met a few people along the way that didn't get it... I have always found the same thing... they never had the love for the LGD to begin with.
When I get calls about LGD's and answer questions one big give-a-way that says "not cut out for a LGD" is when a husband and wife team are not in agreement or one person isn't a "dog" person. If your not a dog person than you'll probably hate the LGD.
Attached is a picture of Badger... he came in the other morning... for LOVE... Badger decides when he has had enough love... not us, he will hook us and lay down and you cannot move him. If you stop petting him he will take that big head and paw and stop you where you are to say "I'm not done so neither are you" ... you know your hooked when you smile at the massive muddy print on your clothes.
Me with Badger's head in my lap! Big knucklehead!
I love these dogs so much that words cannot describe the feelings I have about them. Their loyalty and faithfulness is beyond compare. They can be a handful given their stubborn independent nature and I hate to see these dogs reshuffled over and over because of simple mistakes and things that could have been corrected early and weren't.
Some LGD's take little work others much more but having the love and passion is key.
When a pup is in for training there is definitely a piece of my heart forever connected... sounds all corny I know but it is true. I love them like my own and am proud of them when I get reports back as well as pictures. Those that get their first LGD (especially a pyr) are so taken that they drive everyone crazy because no matter how many dogs you've owned there is nothing that can compare... and others don't get it til they have one. I have met a few people along the way that didn't get it... I have always found the same thing... they never had the love for the LGD to begin with.
When I get calls about LGD's and answer questions one big give-a-way that says "not cut out for a LGD" is when a husband and wife team are not in agreement or one person isn't a "dog" person. If your not a dog person than you'll probably hate the LGD.
Attached is a picture of Badger... he came in the other morning... for LOVE... Badger decides when he has had enough love... not us, he will hook us and lay down and you cannot move him. If you stop petting him he will take that big head and paw and stop you where you are to say "I'm not done so neither are you" ... you know your hooked when you smile at the massive muddy print on your clothes.
Me with Badger's head in my lap! Big knucklehead!
Beekissed
Herd Master
I agree! With it all! And that's how my Lucy was also...though she never really was done with getting love and would nudge, nudge and nudge until you continued to pet her and love on her. Big ol' love pups, those GPs.
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Southern by choice
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I find my males to be much more demanding on the love front. My females are far less demanding and would be fine with a pat on the head. LOL
jodief100
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The pups are so beautiful. You do such a wonderful job with them.
We have gotten very lucky with our dogs. We got them not knowing anything but the "just put them out with the goats, they will be fine". Snows is a good dog, a patroller. She can be a little more aggressive with the goats than I like but she never hurts them. Jack, well, you know about Jack. He is definitely a watcher.
People around here don't train like you do. If I get a younger pup, will Jack train it?
We have gotten very lucky with our dogs. We got them not knowing anything but the "just put them out with the goats, they will be fine". Snows is a good dog, a patroller. She can be a little more aggressive with the goats than I like but she never hurts them. Jack, well, you know about Jack. He is definitely a watcher.
People around here don't train like you do. If I get a younger pup, will Jack train it?
