I've just read this entire thread start to finish! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this! I'm a real newbie, and I've learned so much. I've laughed out loud at some of the inside antics (I've had Danes forever), and at how smart they are (I have a border collie and standard poodle), just started looking for land here in California......think I may need to travel to NC and kidnap you to come help me find and train my LGD when I'm ready.