norseofcourse
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Misfitmorgan's Journal - That Summer Dust
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misfitmorgan
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Far as i know all Birds of Prey and Migratory birds are covered under federal law. No mexican buzzards up here..yet thankfully.
Here the DNR put trackers on some BoP so you can "get rid" of them but your taking a big chance on getting that lovely fine. This past summer someone killed a bald eagle and tried to hide it on one of the islands locally...but DNR had a tracker on it, recovered the body and went looking for the person who killed it.
All the farmers up here take out hawks when they start killing large amounts of small livestock but no one really talks about it and incinerates the evidence immediately. Those hawks get brave, we had one IN our barn chasing our chickens.
We contacted the DNR to see if we could do something about the hawks or the eagles and we were flat out told "It is the farmers responsibility to make sure their livestock is safe from predators by keeping them in secure enclosures" basically if you free range your birds its your own fault and you should keep them locked up if you have a BoP problem.
They are useless up here, a farmer friend of ours has been trying to get a block permit for 4 yrs to kill deer around his hay storage area to keep them from eating his cow hay/round bales. The DNR told him he had to prove the deer were eating it so he took videos and set up trail cams etc for 6 months. Then they said they would have to see signs in person so he said ok come on over anytime, i will be here. They have been to his property 6 times and still wont issue him a block permit. There is very obviously lots of deer eating his hay, he owns approx 50 adult beef cows so he has a fair amount of hay. Meanwhile they found 2 new confirmed cases of TB in cows in our county....gee i wonder why.
Here the DNR put trackers on some BoP so you can "get rid" of them but your taking a big chance on getting that lovely fine. This past summer someone killed a bald eagle and tried to hide it on one of the islands locally...but DNR had a tracker on it, recovered the body and went looking for the person who killed it.
All the farmers up here take out hawks when they start killing large amounts of small livestock but no one really talks about it and incinerates the evidence immediately. Those hawks get brave, we had one IN our barn chasing our chickens.
We contacted the DNR to see if we could do something about the hawks or the eagles and we were flat out told "It is the farmers responsibility to make sure their livestock is safe from predators by keeping them in secure enclosures" basically if you free range your birds its your own fault and you should keep them locked up if you have a BoP problem.
They are useless up here, a farmer friend of ours has been trying to get a block permit for 4 yrs to kill deer around his hay storage area to keep them from eating his cow hay/round bales. The DNR told him he had to prove the deer were eating it so he took videos and set up trail cams etc for 6 months. Then they said they would have to see signs in person so he said ok come on over anytime, i will be here. They have been to his property 6 times and still wont issue him a block permit. There is very obviously lots of deer eating his hay, he owns approx 50 adult beef cows so he has a fair amount of hay. Meanwhile they found 2 new confirmed cases of TB in cows in our county....gee i wonder why.
NH homesteader
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Wow I'm feeling lucky here. We had issues with a bear, as did our farmer friend up the road. He asked the game warden if he could shoot it and he said yeah... I would prefer you try electric fencing first but you have the right to protect your livestock so do what you have to do.
The hawks used to be around enough that we had netting on top of all our bird fences but I don't see them anymore. (works for me!)
Never would have thought of that deer problem. The TB was from deer? Sorry I don't know anything about TB.
The hawks used to be around enough that we had netting on top of all our bird fences but I don't see them anymore. (works for me!)
Never would have thought of that deer problem. The TB was from deer? Sorry I don't know anything about TB.
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Baymule
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On BYC, I read some good hawk strategies. One was running tape or monofilament line across the run, even hanging old CD's or aluminum pie pans from the lines. Another that I read was to cover the run with netting and if a hawk got tangled in it, cut it out and dump hawk and netting somewhere, not on YOUR property, but make it gone.
We have hawks here, but our GP's keep them away.
We have hawks here, but our GP's keep them away.
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misfitmorgan
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Yep TB in the cattle is from the deer, the deer have tb and when they graze on the baled hay or the sacks of grains stored by farmers for their cattle the TB can pass to the cattle. In general farmers dont want deer hanging around their cattle because they can also get it from direct contact or where deer were sleeping or grazing in the fields. Goats can get it as well. Its not really a big problem in animals that will be slaughtered young but your breeders would be a big problem. Several years ago when they have the first outbreaks of mass TB in cattle here, DNR was killing entire herds, ruining farmers lives without compensating them at all. Digging mass pits on the farmer property and burying 100s of cows. It shut down many many family farms who were over 100yrs running and the only source of income.
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misfitmorgan
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Our area is about the same size times 2 but split....one run is in front of the coop and one is on the backside..so that would probly work. We will have to try it and see.Just saw you had hawk problems. We found out a interesting solution to this a few years ago. I don't know how big their run is but we take reinforced caution tape and do a crisscross pattern over the birds. We haven't had a hawk attack in two years
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misfitmorgan
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Nope and the $150 ones are 6 weeks old and the $60 ones are 12 weeks old, if i was in the market for AGHs i would def be buying from the $60 guy lol.
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misfitmorgan
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Oh my word the Llama's are destroying everything. The walked down the pasture fence so they and everyone else has been closed in the barn. We found out they could reach into the grain/feed stall and knock the lid off the grain box...to eat grain..luckily we caught them before they got to much. So we moved the grain box and all feed to the other side of the grain stall. They pushed so hard on the front wall to the feed stall that the cement anchors broke so now the wall is wobbly and only held on at the ceiling. We had boards in a mostly finished stall so we could build the stall face...they knocked those down so the goats and ducks/chickens could walk all over them and pee and poo on them. Hopefully thats it!!
On the pig front of things..all the new piglets are doing well. We have them and their momma Sarah in one stall and my pig Eva in the stall next door. Where the old feed trough goes under the stall wall the piglets are small enough to walk thru to Eva's stall. Yesterday DH went out to check piglets and found them all in Evas stall running about and Eva didnt mind at all. So DH shooed them back into their momma's stall and wedged a cinderblock in the hole under the wall. Except he only go 3 of the 4 back in the right stall. When he went to feed a few minutes later he realized he was missing one, so he looked in Eva's stall and there was one of the boys running around. So he didnt think much of it and went into Eva's stall and scooped up the piglet. He must have startled it cause it started squealing and my my pig Eva charged DH. He sent her packing but it appears she will be a good momma but hopefully not to protective. I believe she is getting ready to deliver her piglets hence the elevated hormones and the charge.
On the pig front of things..all the new piglets are doing well. We have them and their momma Sarah in one stall and my pig Eva in the stall next door. Where the old feed trough goes under the stall wall the piglets are small enough to walk thru to Eva's stall. Yesterday DH went out to check piglets and found them all in Evas stall running about and Eva didnt mind at all. So DH shooed them back into their momma's stall and wedged a cinderblock in the hole under the wall. Except he only go 3 of the 4 back in the right stall. When he went to feed a few minutes later he realized he was missing one, so he looked in Eva's stall and there was one of the boys running around. So he didnt think much of it and went into Eva's stall and scooped up the piglet. He must have startled it cause it started squealing and my my pig Eva charged DH. He sent her packing but it appears she will be a good momma but hopefully not to protective. I believe she is getting ready to deliver her piglets hence the elevated hormones and the charge.
Bruce
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Oh! So sorry about the llama damage! My understanding is that alpacas generally don't challenge fences, apparently that doesn't apply to llamas.
