mites!.. nope, LICE! ew

[dwbonfire]

hmm ok, well i got some DE and dusted the heck out of her, she looked like an antique goat afterwards i dusted her stall too, i figured i would strip it out tomorrow and dust the new shavings as well. how long until i dust her again? and can you use too much on them? i hope not...

i looked at TSC at the ivermectin cattle pour-on. is that what i'd use? how do i use it? its cheaper than ivermectin injectable and i dont have any trouble giving shots, but i've been told ivermectin stings pretty bad when injected so i feel like if i can go the cheaper pour-on route i'd rather. just need to know where to pour it on and how much how often.

You don't want to use a pour on as a pour on for goats as they're more sensitive. But you can use it orally.

I don't have much faith in DE for parasites (yes, I've tried it).

I like Python dust and ivermectin (and I too inject for external creepy crawlies). Injecting ivermectin does cause a "reaction" but I've never lost a goat due to an Ivomec injection.

if i went the route of the pour-on and used it orally, how much would i use? i am bad at estimating weight, but shes probably 40 lbs? dont know if you remember seeing the pics of her in one of my threads.. i think the pour on cattle iver. said 5mg per 1 ml? could i use that and sprinkle the python dust on her and the others (as prev.) or would that be too much stuff at one time? cause i dusted her in DE yesterday.
ETA: shes going to be in heat soon, like a matter of a day or two im guessing. should i hold of having her bred since she'll have these chemicals in her system?

 

[elevan]

hmm ok, well i got some DE and dusted the heck out of her, she looked like an antique goat afterwards i dusted her stall too, i figured i would strip it out tomorrow and dust the new shavings as well. how long until i dust her again? and can you use too much on them? i hope not...

i looked at TSC at the ivermectin cattle pour-on. is that what i'd use? how do i use it? its cheaper than ivermectin injectable and i dont have any trouble giving shots, but i've been told ivermectin stings pretty bad when injected so i feel like if i can go the cheaper pour-on route i'd rather. just need to know where to pour it on and how much how often.

You don't want to use a pour on as a pour on for goats as they're more sensitive. But you can use it orally.

I don't have much faith in DE for parasites (yes, I've tried it).

I like Python dust and ivermectin (and I too inject for external creepy crawlies). Injecting ivermectin does cause a "reaction" but I've never lost a goat due to an Ivomec injection.

if i went the route of the pour-on and used it orally, how much would i use? i am bad at estimating weight, but shes probably 40 lbs? dont know if you remember seeing the pics of her in one of my threads.. i think the pour on cattle iver. said 5mg per 1 ml? could i use that and sprinkle the python dust on her and the others (as prev.) or would that be too much stuff at one time? cause i dusted her in DE yesterday.
ETA: shes going to be in heat soon, like a matter of a day or two im guessing. should i hold of having her bred since she'll have these chemicals in her system?

Ivermectin and Python dust are both safe for breeding and pregnant goats.

You could give the pour on orally at a rate of 1 ml / 22 pounds. If you think she weighs 40# just go ahead and give 2 ml.

I just dealt with a lice issue with Daisy and her twins. I used ivermectin and Python dust. They're fine to use together. Just repeat in 14 days.


eta: Don't worry about having dusted with DE yesterday. It's not a chemical. Another concern that I have with DE is that the dust can cause respiratory problems if you over do it.

 

[cmjust0]

Ivermectin given orally in goats is very poorly absorbed by the bloodstream. If you want to be sure to kill external parasites, it *must* be in the bloodstream. Therefore, oral ivermectin for external parasites isn't the best option. And I especially don't recommend giving pour-ons orally, since they contain petrochemicals that aid their absorption into the skin.

So, in a nutshell, giving a goat pour-on ivermectin orally for lice is probably the worst possible option to pursue.

If you want a pour-on for lice, use CyLence, and use it as a pour-on...put it right on their skin. I usually dose at a rate of around 1ml/25lbs, IIRC. CyLence won't kill mites, but it does a bang up job on lice.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

Last year I had a doe with lice, and I treated with DE. Worked like a charm! I treated her once, then again about 7 days later, and no lice to be seen. I also just treated both goats with DE the other day, just as a preventative.

 

[cmjust0]

I always think about it like this...if I was suffering with _______, would I "try" homeopathic/organic/'green' treatment using _________ first and see what happened, or would I go straight to modern medicine?

When it comes to lice...uh, yeah...I don't think I'd mess around with it for long if they were crawlin' around on MY head!.. Gimme something that burns my scalp, stings my eyes, and makes it difficult to breathe.. (That's how ya know it's working!.. ) Just saying, I wouldn't want to be the goat that has be miserable with lice until my owner had sufficiently proved to themselves that DE either works, or doesn't.....and most of the experiences I've seen recounted say it *doesn't*..

Not saying it never, ever works, of course...just saying what I've read makes it seem somewhat less than promising as an alternative to modern chemistry.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

I always think about it like this...if I was suffering with _______, would I "try" homeopathic/organic/'green' treatment using _________ first and see what happened, or would I go straight to modern medicine?

When it comes to lice...uh, yeah...I don't think I'd mess around with it for long if they were crawlin' around on MY head!.. Gimme something that burns my scalp, stings my eyes, and makes it difficult to breathe.. (That's how ya know it's working!.. ) Just saying, I wouldn't want to be the goat that has be miserable with lice until my owner had sufficiently proved to themselves that DE either works, or doesn't.....and most of the experiences I've seen recounted say it *doesn't*..

Not saying it never, ever works, of course...just saying what I've read makes it seem somewhat less than promising as an alternative to modern chemistry.

Well, don't people normally wait until they're really sick before going to the doc? Most people don't rush to the doc and demand meds as soon as they start sniffling. And if this was human head lice, I would go straight for the Rid-X. Since this was my dairy goat (and we drink the milk) I wanted to try DE first, because then there would be no milk w/d, and she wouldn't have to deal w/ a toxic substance unless it was absolutely necessary. I never saw her itch, I just noticed I had one on my hand after I milked. If she got the the point where she was bald and itching constantly, I may have considered doing something stronger.

And, here's firsthand experience telling you it works!

 

[dwbonfire]

well i checked her out today and only saw a couple lice still moving i *think*. sometimes my eyes play tricks on me and she wouldnt stay still long enough to get a good still look at her skin. so i think the DE definetly helped, just might need another dose. however, the resporitory concern seems to be valid because today shes doing some kind of snorting. i dont know if this is normal when they are in heat (because she is, and shes with the buck now and she keeps walking into him and making little snort noises) or if its from breathing in the DE :/
ETA: im going to get some python dust tonight and try that as well. want them gone!!

 

[Bugg]

We have show steers and heifers... They have lice after being at a show.... I have dusted with seven dust but it
doesn't seem to be working. We use pour on Ivermictin (how ever you spell it), I guess it has to be wearing off..
Any suggestions?
Also we have use seven dust on our show lambs and goats before, never had lice again... Just seems we cant get it off our bigger animals..

 

[SassyKat6181]

I have been having a problem with lice on my chickens. I have been using DE for 18 months now, and it seems to be a good preventative, but not a cure once you have a problem. The Ivomec Pour-on will NOT work on lice, as lice do not bite. It will work on worms and mites, but not lice. I used the Livestock Dust that is sold at TSC, but this only worked short term. I just dusted them with Sevin a few days ago, so we'll see how this goes. I tried to go the "natural" route and have slowly worked my way up to chemicals. I think my girls would have been better off to go the chemical route from the beginning, as much as I hate to admit it. Would have helped their health sooner and would have been less work for me.