new backyard herd with questions

rjpcr

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hi and thanks for this forum. i appreciate the devotion and enthusiasm expressed here for the goats and for the keepers! i have two nigerian does that are presently in milk. i have had them for two months and so far everything is going quite well. my older doe is 6 years old and will be kidding for the around 7/14/12. she has kidded three times previously and dropped 4 kids twice and tree kids once. she was bred to the buck that she had four with again this time. i have recently begun drying off DORIE but the previous owner told me that it would be ok to milk her right up until she kids. everything i have read says dry them off two months prior to kiddin or thereabouts. she is adapting well to not being milked but i am not sure if i am getting her enough nutrition. she has alfalfa hay available and all the free grazing clover and orchard grass she can eat. also we have been putting some tree branches with fresh leaves in for them. i am confidant taht her birthing will go well due to the fact that she is a proven good mama. however any tips, wisdoms, or advice is greatly appreciated and wont fall on deaf ears!

my younger doe is a first freshener, she is under two years old. just kidded for the first time in april. its funny because since i started drying off DORIE, STORMY is getting antsy on the milking stand! she doesnt produce a lot of milk, 4-6 ounces per milking (compared to 10-12 ounces per milking that DORIE produces). STORMY was bottle fed and is really sweet with blues eyes and a real pretty girl. im sure she will calm down soon. i made a few modifications to the small goat barn and milking stand....that may have disheveled her a little. another question....what is the difference in milk production from a first freshener to a second freshener? i understand each individual is its own case, but i read about an alpine that was giving 5 lbs per milking as a second freshener and had been giving about half that amount as a firs freshener. is there any difference between first and second freshening generally? i would think that after second freshening there is little change.

one more thing... in my enthusiasm i have recently purchased another pregnant doe. i have enough room and all, but maybe i am still too much of a rookie to have baptism of fire in two birthings early on in my goat daddy life! she is a small alpine that was bred to a nigerian buck with great bloodlines. this will be her first kidding so i am reluctant to feel as confidant with her birthing as i am with my experienced doe. any advice? i have contacted a vet that is currently a dog and cat vet with some experience with horses. i am interested in what my fellow goat people have to say about my situation. thanks!
 

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Yeah you are probably best to go with what you already know from your reading and dry her off. It is better for her and her kids health, in my opinion. My advice for a new goat midwife....spend the money to get a kid puller, some lube, gloves, and make sure to have the vet visit prior to kidding just to establish a relationship with one in case you have an emergency on your hands and need help fast. If she is not very experienced with goats, but is willing to learn along with you, it might work out-if not, then you have time to find another vet that will work out. Here is a link that may help you find a goat vet if you need one http://www.aasrp.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=15 All will probably go well but if it doesn't, you will be so glad you have tools available to get things back on track.
 

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My goat mentor tells me that you need to dry the doe off before kidding or they will not make the colostrum that the baby so desperatley needs to survive. I have a doe whose kid from last year is still sneaking snacks, and has been all year. Her kid from this year has some unusual health problems that could very well be attributed to a lack of antibodies from mom. Unfortunately I didn't even think about the colostrum issue unitl the doe was literally days away from kidding and it was too late.

It does make sense to me that a doe can't give her new kid the colustrum they need if it is being milked out of them, if they even make it.

As far as the amount of milk, I saw a difference for the first three freshenings. a big difference between year one and two, but even quite a bit between 2 and 3.
 

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wow thanks for the info and the support. i really appreciate your help. im looking forward to being a goat midwife and learning much more as we go along. thanks again for your wisdom and experience.
 

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I'd dry her off.

I'm pretty hands off with kidding but like to be there in case my girls need anything. They haven't, even my FFs...though at times I might need a stiff drink :lol: The advice to get some supplies ahead of time is good advice. So is finding a vet that can help ahead of time and getting a visit in before the big day. If you don't have a relationship with the vet and then have an emergency most will not come. Finding a local goat mentor would be a great idea too.
 
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