persistant illness -update post 7

cmjust0

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honeyb12 said:
This may be a stupid question..but what is Bo-se? I have read several people recommend this..just not sure what it is or where to get it..and is it something I should have on hand..
Bo-Se is an injectable Selenium/Vit E supplement. Dosage is 1ml/40lbs, SQ. It's Rx only, so you have to get it from a vet. If you're in a Selenium deficient area (most of us are) then yeah, it's good to keep on hand.

Also i have injectable Penicillin and it says intramuscular..do u give it in the back leg muscle like u would in a dog?
You *can* do that, but I don't recommend it. PenG works just fine given SQ, and can be dangerous if given IM. If you hit a vein, it's deadly. Plus, I've read way too many posts by people with goats dragging a hind leg because of a badly placed injection of PenG in the back leg.. Or, a badly placed injection of anything, really. It's somewhat easy to hit a goat's sciatic nerve, and goats seem especially prone to become lame if you do hit it.

Bottom line, it's just all around better to SQ PenG to a goat.

And what would be the dosage for an approx. 60lb goat and how accurate does the dosage need to be?
4ml, 2x/day through an 18-20ga needle. I use the 18ga when I'm giving PenG, since the particles of the actual drug are sometimes too large to fit through a 20ga. You can use a 20ga and puff anything too large back into the bottle, but then you end up with an 'empty' bottle with big leftover particles of med at the bottom.....which effectively means you underdosed the entire bottle, considering those should be gone when the bottle is empty. Hope that makes sense.

As for accuracy, I assume you mean you're concerned with your ability to guage a goat's weight -- not your ability to pull the plunger till it hits "4".. In that case, where PenG is concerned, approximate weights are OK provided you're not WAAAAY off, and even then I'd actually be more concerned with *underdosing* than overdosing.

There are some O/D'able medications that need a fairly concise weight, though. Bo-Se is one, actually. I'm not saying you need a livestock scale in your barn or anything, but you do need to be proficient at estimating weight visually to ensure you don't O/D your Bo-Se.
 

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Update on my sick doe. Her dirreaha seems to be better. She seems a bit more alert. Eating a little hay. And the swelling on her jaw is gone. Back to the barn for more shots and Red cell.
 

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My doe is still sick. I have done the Pen G. 3x, vit b shot 4-5x, red cel 7 daysl, corrid 4 days, probotics, and Quest 2x and she still has dirreaha sqirting out all over the place. Red cell every day for 7 days and her lids are still white. I don't know what to do now. Nothing seems to be working. Today I pulled some grass for her and she scarfed that down. Then I offered her some pine needles and she ate a few. She has hay all the time. I even offered her some alfalfa pellets but she was not interested. Any more suggestions?
 

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Do you have a vet in your area that you can take the goat to? I sounds like you are in need of a good goat vet.

When you say you did PenG 3 times, does that mean you only did 3 shots? PenG should always be given the full course. At least 7 days in a row, twice a day.

I think I would also suggest testing for Johnes if you haven't done that already. I would also have a fecal done and find out what parasites are there. If you are finding a large parasite load after all that worming, then your parasites are immune to the wormers.
 

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Ok. Back to the Penn G. I bought all my goats from clean herds so I don't think Johnes is a problem. I haven't wormed much in the past. Just after they kidded with Ivermectin. The woman I got most of my goats from told me to use Ivermectin so they may have been imune to that. Quest is a new wormer for her so they should not be immune to that. (I guess)
 

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This is what I would do if she were here:

PenG 1ml/ 15# 2x daily for 10 days
Valbazen 1ml/ 25# orally
Ivomec 1% Injectible 1ml/ 22# orally
Red Cell 6ml/ 20-30# 2x day on day 1 then one time weekly until better (you can overdose on minerals so be careful)
Oral Neomycin 1ml/ 20# daily (Continue treatment for 24-48 hrs beyond remission of disease symptoms, but not more than 14 consecutive days)
Probios or Yogurt (live cultured)
Electrolytes in water or if she isn't drinking well then I'd drench with 20-30 ml of pedialyte every 4-6 hours
 

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Before I would do any more worming, I would have a fecal done. Not just a simple fecal float. One of the better fecal testing. I know my local vet does just the fecal float but the state lab does something different and I get more "results" from them. I can count on the state lab to test for everything. The local vet just tests for the quick stuff they see in the float.

There is also giardia and cryptosperiosis that you could look into along with salmonella and some others.
 

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Update on my sick doe. She is much better now. Butt is dry now. Haven't seen any poops yet but she does not have direaha anymore. She even looks happy and is moving around alot more now. I reread the previous posts and other posts about sick goats and I think I was very wrong on her weight. I increased all the meds for a heavier weight and she is much better. I think I need to invest in a tape to get a closer guess on their weights. Thanks to everyone here that offered help.
 

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