Pitbulls killed 200 goats

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

realize these breeds are all related from their origin.

I have to agree with Southern on this one. I don't care if it's an American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, or whatever you want to call it. The dogs are VERY VERY similar, same origins etc, that's why people can't tell them apart.

And just FYI, I like your page, it was fun, and yes I got the APBT on my very first choice.

And American Pit Bull Terrier is often shorted to "Bull Terrier"... doesn't mean she doesn't know what she is talking about, believe me she does!!!

Are you joking? Seriously?

The BULL TERRIER and the AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER are two VERY DIFFERENT breeds. The APBT is called the Pit Bull and the Bull Terrier is called a Bull Terrier. That is it! No, NEVER, is the APBT called the Bull Terrier.


http://www.akc.org/breeds/bull_terrier/index.cfm

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breeds/Terrier/AmericanPitBullTerrier12012012

Go ahead, keep tell me those breeds are the same.

I am not, and did not say THEY ARE THE SAME BREED. What I said is the NAME is interchangeable, especially to the lay person that doesn't know about the different breeds. PIT BULL is just a name that everyone uses to identfy any "pitty looking" mix. Just like "Husky" can mean siberian husky, chinook, or alaskan husky... to the lay person.

 

[BlondeSquirrel04]

I'm not downplaying AT ALL that the APBT is more often than not dog aggressive. After all, they were bred to fight other dogs. That is why they were created! I do not take my dogs to dog parks or to PetCo and places like that for that reason. I also realize they have a high prey drive and do not let them off leash anywhere, period. I realize they are extremely strong, strong willed, and like to fight. I would not let ANY dog be unsupervised with a child, regardless of breed. As an advocate, I do not down play these attributes because I don't want just anyone owning one. NO breed is the dog for everyone. Unfortunately, my breed is the dog of choice for unscrupulous owners...dog fighters, drug dealers, etc. and my advocacy will not stop them from owning dogs who are in the headlines for attacking people.

It is common sense to understand why you don't see a lot of breeds killing people. I've met some pretty angry little Toy Poodles who've bitten my ankles repeatedly, but of course they are not strong enough to kill anyone. Roughly half of all dog breeds are too small to kill anyone if they tried and you know as well as I do that they do like to try! So right there, let's say that 50% of all dog breeds couldn't kill someone no matter what. And seeing as Pit Bulls are strong dogs who are the dog of choice for those who are not likely to socialize, train, and contain their dog, then of course, it's pretty easy to imagine how they'd top the list of fatal human attacks.

However, when my breed is sensationalized as the media "dog devil", I am compelled to stand up for them. There have been many inaccurate stories portraying them as the villain, when in fact it was a Lab mix, or an American Bulldog, behind the attack. It is not uncommon at all for a news org. to edit their story because they have misidentified the dog in question. There was just one this week where two American Bulldogs attacked a woman in Plainfield, NJ, and the headline said "Pit Bull" until a photo of the dogs emerged. You can't tell me that it wouldn't bother you to see that your favorite breed is being used to sell headlines.

I don't deny for a second that a Pit Bull can hurt someone. I don't deny that many have. I don't deny that you'll surely see that more will. What I do deny is the gross over generalization and prejudice that a dog who looks a certain way is a killer.

 

[Southern by choice]

I am very confused as to this post....

The BULL TERRIER and the AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER are two VERY DIFFERENT breeds. The APBT is called the Pit Bull and the Bull Terrier is called a Bull Terrier. That is it! No, NEVER, is the APBT called the Bull Terrier.

Where is the American Pit Bull Terrier?

According to the terrier group recognized by the AKC-

there is the
AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER
BULL TERRIER
STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER


I have been out of the "show" world for many years so I might not be up on the latest.... there was a Miniature Bull Terrier at one time, don't know if it is still recognized or not.

Most bad incidence are from the American Staffordshire Terrier, and I certainly get your wanting to clear the record. The Bull Terrier, with the cute funny faces in many ways are different, same origins, but different.

Yep, they are all lumped in.... the Bulldog story doesn't surprise me and that they were bulldogs doesn't either...another breed too many people saw and thought oh how cute and know NOTHING about them. SO SAD!

 

[BlondeSquirrel04]

AmStaff and APBT are "cousins" so to speak. APBT is recognized in UKC and AmStaff is AKC.

Even experienced breeders have a difficult time telling the difference between APBT and AmStaff. And because breeders these days are completely bastardizing the breed by breeding for color (blue mostly, which causes a host of health issues) and size (45-60lbs is the max for a male according to breed standard), the gene pool is becoming very screwed up.

In the Pit Bull community, we ONLY refer to the AmStaff or APBT as "Pit Bull". Even Staffy Bull owners get pissed if we refer to their dogs as Pit Bulls.

MiniBull is still recognized in AKC I believe.

There are several "other" registries like the ABDA, which to me is a joke, but I digress. Then you have people creating "American Bullies" which is a hippo like monster mix of English & American bulldogs, APBT, AmStaff, and Lord knows what else. http://www.domesticsale.com/classif...x-kingdom-bakersfield-california-a699462.html. Yes, people see this walking...er...shuffling...down the street and will call that a Pit Bull.

 

[Southern by choice]

Ok, saw that pic... Really!

Reminds me of how some people are so We had neighbors years ago that were so proud of themselves they were on a waiting list for "RARE", very expensive "ALL WHITE" Boxer. I explained to the the "truth" about the so called all white "rare" boxer.

My dearest friend showed Bull Terriers for years, and you are right.. most people cannot tell them apart. Even though the Heads are totally different...

I too am very passionate about breeds and looking at them as a whole and individually. Having working GSD's they are completely different from the "AKC" American confirmation Dogs. Truly, many people could not handle or own a real working line GSD- they are tooo much dog. I tell people go with a AKC Confirmation line... they are "pets"

Then you get people that want working GSd dogs so they can have what they think is going to be a BAD A** DOG!

There is a serious issue here with "fighting dog" breeders. I am pretty sure NC has them all. You should see the papers.... loaded with ads...they breed nonstop...

You should post a pic!

 

[BlondeSquirrel04]

The perpetual breeding of inbred, poorly bred, sub-par dogs who are victims of their owner's stupidity are the reason why we see the headlines. People breed for cash, not breed improvement. A well bred APBT should never be human aggressive, ever. Those dogs were culled from the fighting ring in the old days. The saying was, "Man eaters die!"

Surely the "pinkers", as we call them, are also part of the reason. They do ignore inherent breed traits like a high prey drive and dog aggression, and believe that these things can be trained out of the dog. Fat chance! They see one episode of the wackjob Cesar Milan and believe it's just that easy to make all their dogs get along. I wish. These advocates are hurting the breed by giving them to homes that are setting the dogs up to fail.

I don't show, nor do I even support breeding for pet quality animals when millions die in the shelter each year. All of my dogs are former death row inmates through no fault of their own. No, I have no clue of their lineage or if they came from gamebred lines. What I do know is that I have extremely people friendly animals who are unfairly judged by those who are ignorant to the breed, the media bias, and dog behavior.

This is my blue fawn boy rescued just hours before his euthanasia from a shelter in FL where dog fighting is rampant. I believe he was just the victim of being a mischievous puppy and sent to die at the shelter.



And here he is, completely ignoring our chickens...subsequently he was chased by one of the alpacas and looked like he was going to mess himself in fear.

 

[BHOBCFarms]

Actually, data IS suspect on the tracking of all breeds and biting incidents - there is no uniformity to how the data is collected and how breeds are "defined", how it is or can be interpreted is even more debatable. Unfortunately, data collecting in this area is random, does not include data on unreported incidents, which may be numerous, may include other breeds - incidents that may not result in as serious injury, but may reveal trends about other breeds which may in fact be more unsafe - certainly we know that many small breeds bite more often in reported cases, they just do less overall damage. In my field, there is some discussion about the "sociology" of pitbulls, and how our spociety (the media, etc.) has socially constructed them to symbolize and be seen as an extension of the parts of society that we look down on, discriminate against, etc. Much like there are social constructs about what are the characteristics about what society believes a human criminal to be (minority, poor, violent, alcoholic, immigrants, etc.), our society has simultaneously socially constructed what we believe to be "the dog version of a criminal, or the evil pit bull/dog criminal". Similarly to societies human version of the criminal, the dog we associate today as evil, violent and sociall unacceptable is the pit bull. He is seen as a product of, and part of the underclass of minority, poor, and criminal segment of society. The media just perpetuates it, just as it perpetuates negative beliefs about black/minority criminality, etc. It is probable that the very "evidence" most people cite of pitbull violence is probably even more poorley gathered, excecuted and interpreted. After all, many people will point to crime statistic (FBI, etc.) as proof of the criminality of minorities, etc., when careful interpretation of that same data actually shows the persecution of those groups (or the hyper-focus on thier criminality) by society in general.

 

[Southern by choice]

well said!

I will say with the new re-write of the medical codes due to Obamacare every bite will have to be recorded as specific. Get this... if a duck bites you that is one code, if a duck slaps you that is one code... It is gonna be a nightmare... I suppose pekin ducks will be the new evil. So "Ducks" will have their own code.

Truly the stats for dog bites aren't accurate yet deaths from dogs is another story. I think that is where the big concerns come in.
I do not want the US ending up like so many other countries where certain dogs are BANNED!

BTY - Blonde squirrel GREAT PICS!

I feel horrible for the farmer of the goats! Can you imagine!

 

[CYGChickies]

All I want to know is why someone would have 200 goats and not have an entire team of LGD's.

Exactly! We have four goats, lost two rabbits to a pair of German Shepherds and a Yellow Lab ONCE and now we have our team of Pyrs.