Poor kids got dehorned, problems now

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Hi everyone!
After I got my female bottle babies I read everywhere that you disbud with 4-10 days of age (I'm new to goats).
I called all 3 vets here, where the most common goats are commercial meat goats and 4-H meat goats that will be auctioned off. All vets (all recorded by the local 4-H) told me to wait until they are 3-4 weeks old. So I thought, if they all deal with 4-H goats, which are not allowed to have horns, they know...
I picked the vet that offered the procedure the cheapest. He told me that with his surgical method it would be very unlikely that the kids would develop scurs. I wasn't allowed in back and got my kids back looking just about butchered and miserable! The bandage was so tight around their throats that they sounded like chicken and they had lots of trouble to suck the bottle and breathed all raspy. Asked three times, was told bandage would be ok. Started to gradually cutting it to allow for more room. When I finally took the whole bandage off, it was so badly stuck on, that even with soaking it, it took me an hour to get it off and I still made it bleed, which I got to stop with lots of blood stop. The kids hat huge holes/wounds, but luckily no open sinus cavity. They are 4 1/2 month old now and it appears that the one doeling has a swelling in the throat area since then and guess what! Both kids are getting scurs on both horn bud areas!
My new vet said to wait and see if the scurs would grow significantly or stay as little nubs and points. If growing more, he would take care of it. He also thinks that the swelling at the throat would be inflamed lymph nodes, but since no other symptoms not to worry about it yet...
Now I was thinking it would be better to get the scurs the sooner the better; waiting longer will get the kids just about butchered again...
What are your thoughts about the whole thing?
(I will try to post a video and photos)
Thanks y'all!
 

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The other one...
 

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Blurry pic of scur, the other one is only to be felt under the hair as of now...
 

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Pic of the swelling, plz enlarge
 

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Btw, sorry to upload everything separate, can't figure out how to post multiple pics from my phone.
The video won't upload, no allowed extension- whatever this means...
 

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:hitwow... that looks horrendous and I'm sure was extremely painful :hide:duc There should have been no reason to bandage after the disbudding. There should have been 2 nice, neatly burned, copper colored circles around where the horn buds had been. There should have been no bleeding, the heat would have cauterized everything. There are lots of pics here on this site showing what it SHOULD have looked like (as well as some showing what it should NOT look like).

From my research, after disbudding, if scurs start and you catch them early, they can be re-burned. If you allow them to grow out or with an older goat, they either have to stay and be maintained (trimmed) or surgically removed.

For info: http://www.backyardherds.com/resources/horns-dis-bud-polled.31/

Sorry I can't help with the swelling issue.
 

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The disbudding job looks pretty awful.

Can you move the scur? I mean, if you grab it with your fingers will it wiggle a little? It doesn't look to bad to me.

That lump does not look good. Is it an abscess?
 

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:hitwow... that looks horrendous and I'm sure was extremely painful :hide:duc There should have been no reason to bandage after the disbudding. There should have been 2 nice, neatly burned, copper colored circles around where the horn buds had been. There should have been no bleeding, the heat would have cauterized everything. There are lots of pics here on this site showing what it SHOULD have looked like (as well as some showing what it should NOT look like).

From my research, after disbudding, if scurs start and you catch them early, they can be re-burned. If you allow them to grow out or with an older goat, they either have to stay and be maintained (trimmed) or surgically removed.

For info: http://www.backyardherds.com/resources/horns-dis-bud-polled.31/

Sorry I can't help with the swelling issue.
They were surgically de-horned, not disbudded. Apparently they only do goats surgically here, although they do disbud calves. I don't know why, maybe they don't want to buy a different sized iron?
Next time, I rather drive 2 hrs to a goat farm where they offer disbudding services...
 

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The disbudding job looks pretty awful.

Can you move the scur? I mean, if you grab it with your fingers will it wiggle a little? It doesn't look to bad to me.

That lump does not look good. Is it an abscess?

Yes, the scur wiggles a little since it got big enough to grab. Haven't noticed any significant growth since either. But I'm afraid it will all of the sudden and the other mini scurs too, and I feel the older the kids and scurs get, the worse...
I don't know what to think of the lump. It is soft and moves around, depending how the doeling holds her head. I do believe it is damage from the tight bandages, though.
If it is inflamed lymph nodes, as the vet thinks, I'm wondering why I shouldn't worry yet; although there are no other symptoms like fever or so and the doeling acts totally fine and normal...
 
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Oh, btw, that black stuff on the wounds is bloodstop powder (don't know why the pics are upside down...)
Needless to say, I won't be using that particular vet again. He especially told me how unlikely scurs would be with his method!
I would love to show him that obviously something with his method went wrong, but I'm afraid he will butcher them again going for the scurs...
 
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