Question on using Anti-Toxin and CD T Vaccine

[cmjust0]

...is "tetani"...tetnus??

From Jeffers:
Clostridium Chauvoei, Septicum Haemolyticum, Novyi, Tetani, Perfringens Types C & D Bacterin-Toxoid
(Schering-Plough) For vaccination of healthy sheep and cattle.

Yep, that's tetanus. In fact, all those are Clostridials...perhaps a bit confusing on Jeffers's part.

Could have read:

Clostridium Chauvoei, Clostridium Septicum, Clostridium Haemolyticum......etc.

Just out of curiosity...on the weeping ooziness...are you perhaps using a bottle that was drawn out of before, then put back in the fridge? I only ask because I've seen half-used bottles of biologicals in folks' med fridges before, even though all those bottles basically say pitch it after first use.

 

[helmstead]

Kel - when you start using Cov 8, etc...make sure you get some single doses of Epi from one of the vets, K? Put it in a dorm fridge in your barn, K? While it is usually the tet portion of the vaccine that causes shock, I have heard numerous reports of the vaccines containing multiple closts causing it more frequently.

Is Belle also having the site reaction or is it Silver and Tsuki? Just curious...as after the problem I had with Booyah, I was told reactivity often runs in family lines.

 

[cmjust0]

Yes, definitely get epinephine/adrenaline.. I wouldn't recommend any vaccines until you have it, frankly.

We had one very nearly collapse from anaphylaxis after a C/D-T shot.. Came out of the stanchion fine, but then she started slobbering and vocalizing 'incoherently,' if that makes sense.. Just weird, random noises.. Next thing ya know, she's wobbling, just about to collapse. I freaked and started yelling at the goat, trying to startle her.. My wife freaked and started yelling at ME saying "WHAT DO WE DO?!!"

I yell back "NOTHING!!! WE DON'T HAVE EPI! THERE'S NOTHING WE ***CAN*** DO!!!"

Just about that time, the other goats broke into the stall (for the grain) and started bumping her around.. Normally that would be a pain, but this time... Well, the shocky goat held up just long enough to start getting bumped around amid all the ruckus and as best we can figure, she panicked and dumped a bunch of adrenaline into her own system.

When she snapped back, she snapped back quick and went waaaaay to the other side of the pendulum.. She started flitting around first one way, then another, and we literally couldn't touch her with a 10' pole for a good 15 minutes.. She was baaaing like she'd just been attacked by a bear or something and was breathing extremely rapidly.. She was just truly upset...like, rocked to the core by what had just happened. More upset than either of us have probably ever seen a goat.

We got really lucky...had we not been paying close enough attention to start a ruckus, and had the other goats not broken in and started bumping her around, I'm pretty sure she'd be dead right now.

So, ya...get the epi.. Also, even though anaphylaxis usually happens like RIGHT NOW when you give the shot, it's not a bad idea to keep a close eye on each goat you vax for at least 5-10 minutes afterward.. Sometimes it can be delayed a bit.

To this day, vaccinations scare the hell out of me.

 

[FlightsofFancy]

Is Belle also having the site reaction or is it Silver and Tsuki? Just curious...as after the problem I had with Booyah, I was told reactivity often runs in family lines.

I have only had reactions with the babies (Tsuki and Zin) ??? I gave them in the tufft of skin near their front leg. Maybe a different location would be better?

I have a bottle of epi that my husband (paramedic) got for me. My Vet refuses to dispense epi. (Kate wanna weigh in on him? )
It reads 1:1000 (1mg/ml) He figured the dose at .15 per goat. Is that right?

cmjust0 wrote:
Just out of curiosity...on the weeping ooziness...are you perhaps using a bottle that was drawn out of before, then put back in the fridge?

Yes....didn't even know I couldn't reuse the bottle.

 

[helmstead]

Sounds like you're probably injecting the vaccine into fat instead of under the skin, which will cause a reaction as fat has very little bloodflow and the vaccine as well as any germs you pushed in with the needle just 'sit' there for awhile. There is a little fat deposit right where you're aiming for...

When doing SQ for anything, do it high on the body...and make sure your tent is good so that you're not inadvertently injecting into that layer of fat on the muscles. Being high on the body gives fluids somewhere to go.

I do mine IM anyway...

It's Dr T you can't get Epi from, right?? Sorry, can't help ya there! At least your DH can! Epi is 1 ml per 100 lbs...

 

[Laney]

Where would we get those new C/D vaccines in North Carolina are they something that TSC would carry or will we have to order online?

I have three little ones that I'll have to give first vaccinations to soon and I'd like to start them out right. Is this something my vet will have, or I can request from her? Also do I get the epi from her?

Thank you,
Laney

 

[cmjust0]

cmjust0 wrote:
Just out of curiosity...on the weeping ooziness...are you perhaps using a bottle that was drawn out of before, then put back in the fridge?

Yes....didn't even know I couldn't reuse the bottle.

That may also have something to do with the reactions.. I really don't know for sure, though, as I've never re-used an opened container of biologicals..

I almost did it once quite a while back when I had a few CCs left in a bottle, but then it occurred to me that it had been sitting around the fridge a while.. When I started looking for the expiration, I saw "Use entire contents when first opened" and was like...woops.

Easy mistake to make, I think.

So, perhaps it's what Helmstead said...or perhaps it's because the bottle was re-used...or perhaps it was both.

 

[FlightsofFancy]

OK. I know how to give a vaccine and I don't think I got fat tissue. I hate giving it high because they get a knot forever! Looks horrible.
I totally missed the don't re-use on the bottle. DER!
Sheesh! I think this was the first time I actually had left over to re-use. Won't do that again.

Thanks!

 

[helmstead]

Go IM - no knot

 

[lupinfarm]

Does anyone know where you can purchase this anti-toxin? I'd like to keep it on hand (what is its "shelf" life like? as in in the fridge...). I went to the Co-op to pick up fencing supplies today and inquired about it there and they said they had never heard of it!! (meanwhile, one employee was telling a lady on the phone that not having the Mareks vaccine for her chicks wasn't the end of the world, IME if its going to hit, its going to hit good so I'd be having the vaccine...ugh they give all sorts of bad advice at the co op).

Would I have to get it from a vet?