redtailgal
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oohh, I'd take that little spotted boy home in a quick hurry. Cept' you live too far away. and I dont "need" him.
sigh.............
sigh.............
Roll Farms November kidding - Risque and Allie kidded - pics pg 12
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Roll farms
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The extra long 'tube' goats' spines break down, sort of like a sway-backed horse. You want length, but it's very exaggerated in some of these animals.
Our longest does always 'wear out' faster than the stockier ones.
To each their own, though.
Our longest does always 'wear out' faster than the stockier ones.
To each their own, though.
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Yes, it us short wide girls that ROCK.
Southern by choice
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Roll, your kids are too cute! I 
Blue's Boy! It's kinda hard to put the pretty ones in the freezer though. :/
Blue's Boy! It's kinda hard to put the pretty ones in the freezer though. :/
Pearce Pastures
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redtailgal said:Yes, it us short wide girls that ROCK.
autumnprairie
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X2Pearce Pastures said:redtailgal said:Yes, it us short wide girls that ROCK.
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You got to wonder, why that would win an award. It seems to me the awards should go to an animal that is destined to live a long time and be healthy. Showing good breeding, long life and health, if that makes any sense.Roll farms said:The extra long 'tube' goats' spines break down, sort of like a sway-backed horse. You want length, but it's very exaggerated in some of these animals.
Our longest does always 'wear out' faster than the stockier ones.
To each their own, though.
I guess it's why I never went in for show goats. It all seems so arbitrary and based on a "fashion" to me.
I do understand that good breeding does make a difference in a good goat though. I do like a "purdy goat".
Sorry in advance, Rolls--I don't mean to hijack your thread!Queen Mum said:You got to wonder, why that would win an award. It seems to me the awards should go to an animal that is destined to live a long time and be healthy. Showing good breeding, long life and health, if that makes any sense.Roll farms said:The extra long 'tube' goats' spines break down, sort of like a sway-backed horse. You want length, but it's very exaggerated in some of these animals.
Our longest does always 'wear out' faster than the stockier ones.
To each their own, though.
I guess it's why I never went in for show goats. It all seems so arbitrary and based on a "fashion" to me.
I do understand that good breeding does make a difference in a good goat though. I do like a "purdy goat".
But to QM, I don't like the show industry (sheep, that is--don't know if cattle/hogs/other stock are any different) very much because show breeders select for what's winning in the ring, and usually those aren't traits that have anything to deal with commercial lamb or wool production. They select for "wedge" shapes (smaller shoulders and wider hips) to 'make it easier to lamb'...well my sheep are square (shoulders same width as hips) and we've never had to pull a lamb, except for a 21 lb ewe lamb out of a mature ewe. But it was her mere size, not her shape that had her stuck. They also select for height & air under the belly. The taller the sheep the more likely it is to win a show. But what does height have anything to deal with commercial lambs? You are just making heavier sheep with no width & length to them...where the meat's at. You don't eat the cannon bones, so no need to breed for longer ones. Show breeders also select for lean sheep, but where's the body capacity to support a ewe who eats most of her diet on grass/pasture/range? A lean ewe won't be able to eat very much--or even have very many lambs because there's no room in there for them! It's not economical to feed a ewe primarily grain year round. And the wether lambs raised for market shows do gain quickly (3/4-1 lb per day), but they are getting only a handful of hay and 3-4 lbs of 'show' chow plus many supplements. How is that the diet of a 'real' market lamb? And we have a carcass contest at our fair where the live lambs are judged on the hoof and then on the rail and the lambs that win 1st in the live show don't ever win first on the rail. What's that saying? Are judges not competent enough to select the lamb on the hoof that will hang the best carcass?
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Roll farms
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There in lies the difference in 'wether makers' and regular breeding stock...the longer the goat, then (theoretically, anyway) the more meat on the carcass. The saying I heard a judge says is, "An inch longer is an inch more meat, an inch taller is an inch taller."
If you're breeding for wethers, you want the extra long / wide / meaty goats...but for breeding stock that's going to last, go more 'old school' boer.
I tried to find a happy medium w/ Bullitt....he's long but not ridiculously so. And has the gorgeous head I want to see on a boer buck.
Google "boer goat doe" images....you'll see some really long, nice looking show does. But....Put a belly full of kids on those long frames and see how long their toplines stay nice. Again, JMHO...and to each their own....but I would rather breed a productive animal that will last.
If you're breeding for wethers, you want the extra long / wide / meaty goats...but for breeding stock that's going to last, go more 'old school' boer.
I tried to find a happy medium w/ Bullitt....he's long but not ridiculously so. And has the gorgeous head I want to see on a boer buck.
Google "boer goat doe" images....you'll see some really long, nice looking show does. But....Put a belly full of kids on those long frames and see how long their toplines stay nice. Again, JMHO...and to each their own....but I would rather breed a productive animal that will last.
RPC
Overrun with beasties
Does anyone else look close to kidding. I just want to see what Patch has in her.
