Safeguard as dewormer...any opinions?

[Mama2B&D&nowgoatstoo]

Thanks much

 

[elevan]

For specific worms it's a good one...though most use it at 3x the goat labeled dose due to resistance in their area (I do as well). But it doesn't work for all worm types.

There are three "classes" of deworming medication (in the US):

1) Avermectin (Ivermectin). The "clear" dewormers. Ivomec, Dectomax, and Cydectin/Quest Gel fall into this category. Effective against meningeal deer worm, lungworm, and lice. Not effective against tapeworm. Although some Ivermectin is labeled for injection, it produces a quicker "kill" when given orally to goats (see below for details . Quest Gel is packaged in a plunger-style tube for use with large animals, making it both difficult and wasteful to use because calculating and controlling the dosage small enough for goats isn't easy.

2) Benzimidazoles. The "white" dewormers. Valbazen, Safeguard/Panacur, Synanthic, Telmin, Benzelmin, Anthelcide, TBZ. Effective against tapeworm. Do not treat pregnant does with Valbazen; it can cause abortions.

3) Imidazothiazole: Tramisol, Levasol, pyrantel, morantel. Pregnant does may abort if Tramisol is given to them. Additionally, the "safe" and "toxic" dosages of Tramisol are very close, making this product a potentially dangerous drug.

Source: http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/articles2/articlesMain.html#Articles

 

[ksalvagno]

I dose the liquid at 1cc per 10 lbs. You do need to know what worms you are treating as no wormer gets all worms.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

I was actually going to be posting questions on Safeguard too. We used the pelleted stuff with our older goats because we only had two, could make sure they ate the right amount, and it was very convenient. Now we have three little doelings, all probably right around 10 pounds, and I am thinking we should deworm them next week when we give them CDT and disbud.

1. I bought Safeguard because it was the only worm med our TSC had other than the pellets. Should I use this on 3 and 4 week old goats or return it and get something else? I would have to order it so it would be probably another week and I am not sure how old they really should be before their first time being wormed.

2. Should I give Safeguard orally as per the directions or should it be injected (someone said to inject but that doesn't sound right to me)?

3. Our pygmy is going to be three weeks and the two Nigerians will be four weeks on Wednesday. The both weigh a bit over 10 pounds. should I give them 1cc?

Any advice appreciated.

 

[Goatmasta]

Here we would use ivermec (cattle pour on) and valbazen. We have found safeguard to be ineffective. Most other websites and producers agree with that, not saying that all will.

 

[ksalvagno]

If you bought the liquid for goats, I would dose it at 1cc per 10 lbs. The labeled dosage isn't high enough. It really depends on your area what wormers work best. Safeguard can be used for young goats. You will also want to treat for coccidia. Usually 40% Dimethox is suggest to use. 1cc per 5 lbs the first day, then 1cc per 10 lbs days 2-5. Everything goes orally. I have NEVER heard of injecting Safeguard and would never try.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

Here we would use ivermec (cattle pour on) and valbazen. We have found safeguard to be ineffective. Most other websites and producers agree with that, not saying that all will.

Yeah, you all have me sold-I'm taking it back and ordering Ivermec. Is it too early to give it them?

 

[Pearce Pastures]

If you bought the liquid for goats, I would dose it at 1cc per 10 lbs. The labeled dosage isn't high enough. It really depends on your area what wormers work best. Safeguard can be used for young goats. You will also want to treat for coccidia. Usually 40% Dimethox is suggest to use. 1cc per 5 lbs the first day, then 1cc per 10 lbs days 2-5. Everything goes orally. I have NEVER heard of injecting Safeguard and would never try.

Thank you! I thought the injection thing sounded way wrong! I sure wasn't about to do it and end up with some sick or dead little goats, ya know. I am going to get something besides Safeguard though, since there are better ones out there.

Thanks again

 

[Mama2B&D&nowgoatstoo]

gotcha...this wormin deal is pretty intricate So much to learn! Thanks everyone for all the info!

 

[ksalvagno]

I use the injectible Ivomec. I have heard that the pour on is fine to give orally but somehow can't do it. I buy the cattle 1% injectible. Most people dose it at lcc per 25 lbs orally.