Safeguard as dewormer...any opinions?

[elevan]

Ivermectin and Di-Methox are not the same thing and are not interchangeable.

You use the Ivermectin to treat stomach worms....Di-Methox for coccidia which is a protozoa.


Injectible Ivermectin is given orally and can be subbed out for the pour on version (given orally too) 1ml / 25# (some give 1ml / 22#)

You can simply draw it up into a syringe...remove the needle and squirt it into the back of the goats mouth.
You can get one of these http://www.jefferslivestock.com/product.asp?camid=LIV&pn=JI-FA&cn=31070 to put onto any luer lock syringe to make administering oral medicines easier. You'll need to draw up a little water afterwards and squirt it into their mouth to make sure all the medicine is administered if you do it this way. It'll help you get the med past their tongue and down their throat though.


And the Tennessee Meat Goats website is an awesome resource site.

 

[Goatmasta]

The question about pour on vs. injectable... Both are dosed orally @ 1cc/22lbs. What you want to look for is actual amount of ivermectin delivered , i.e. 200mcg/kg of body weight = 1cc/110lbs for the injectable. What is effective is between 500-800 mcg/kg of body weight. So with the injectable you should dose 1cc/22lbs which gives you about 800mcg/kg of bw... pour on at 1cc/22lbs is 500mcg/kg of bw.. Here we usually round up to the nearest .5cc so a goat that weights 50lbs I would dose 3cc with pour on you are probably closer to 600-650 mcg/kg... with injectable you will be higher than that. It is ok to slightly overdose ivermec, you would rather overdose than under dose. under dosing is what causes resistance.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

@arabianequine Here is a link to what I ordered for worms and yes it contains the 5mg per ml (5ml per 110 lbs) http://www.jefferslivestock.com/product.asp?camid=LIV&pn=17186&cn=3701

*So if their fecal comes back as having a "clear" worm load, I'll be giving them each 0.5cc IVOMEC orally (they weigh 7, 8, and 10 pounds).
*If their fecal comes back as having a "white" worm load, they'll get 1cc Safeguard
*If their fecal shows now worm load, I don't treat at this time

And as far as the Dimethox 40%, I am going to start preventative treatment for coccidia once it arrives-give them each 2cc on the first day and then 1ccfor another four days ("1cc per 5 lbs the first day, then 1cc per 10 lbs days 2-5k"salvagno)

Yeah, the meds thing is kinda scary with this little does-just don't want to harm them ya know, especially after losing that baby last week. But, thank goodness for this forum!

 

[arabianequine]

I guess what I am confused on is....5mg per ml the same as 1% ivermectin?

 

[elevan]

I guess what I am confused on is....5mg per ml the same as 1% ivermectin?

IVOMEC 1% Injection is formulated to deliver the recommended dose level of 600 mcg ivermectin/kilogram body weight when given at the rate of 1 mL per 37 lb

IVOMEC 0.5% Pour-On applies at the recommended dose level of 500 mcg/kg when given at a rate is 1 ml for each 22 lb (Contains 5 mg ivermectin/mL)

eta: information obtained from Jeffers Livestock website under manufacturers labels (I did adjust the rate for the 1% as it was 300mcg / kg at a rate of 1ml/75#)

 

[arabianequine]

So if I get this https://www.americanlivestock.com/p-15301-ivermax-ivermectin-pour-on-for-cattle.aspx then it would be the same as this (IVOMEC 0.5% Pour-On applies at the recommended dose level of 500 mcg/kg when given at a rate is 1 ml for each 22 lb (Contains 5 mg ivermectin/mL).

 

[elevan]

So if I get this https://www.americanlivestock.com/p-15301-ivermax-ivermectin-pour-on-for-cattle.aspx then it would be the same as this (IVOMEC 0.5% Pour-On applies at the recommended dose level of 500 mcg/kg when given at a rate is 1 ml for each 22 lb (Contains 5 mg ivermectin/mL).

Looks like it