Just a thought on the papers, if you got the before pic of her when she was offered for sale previously and know who owned her, can't you get papers for her from her old owner/breeder?
I'm sure they would be willing to help if they knew what happened to her. I know it's possible to get replacement papers over here, not sure what your rules are over there.
You have photo evidence of the condition those goats came to you in, poor babies. No way I'd be giving him any goat.
I just found this thread. KIM! WOW. I can't imagine how devastated you are to find your girls like this. I don't think I've seen one as skinny as the red doe above the ground.
Kate...she staggered off of the open trailer he hauled her here in. Staggered. I honestly think she'd have died w/ in days if he hadn't brought her home.
I'm so glad I asked if he was getting rid of them...I doubt she'd be on the planet if I hadn't.
The people Josh bought her from transferred Freckles to him. He would have to transfer her to me. I doubt he'll do it when I refuse to give her back. Ah, well. It won't be the first time I can't register a goat's offspring as a fullblood even when it is.
The deal we made was I was buying Hannah and Mandy back, and he was 'loaning' me Freckles until he's settled where he's moving and can take her back. Any kids born between now and then were mine to keep for my 'trouble'.
I didn't get Mandy and Hannah's papers back, either....they're 'packed away'. :/
I was going to save this for Friday's updated pics, but I'm going to go ahead and ask opinions....
I have tried every 'good' goat feed / supplement I can get my hands on.
The only thing Mandy and Hannah will actually eat much of is corn.
If I give them goat chow, they turn their noses up. Same w/ noble goat. Same w/ calf manna...and goat conditioner from Manna Pro. I have tried adding different things to entice them....no go. I've tried the calf manna strait (small amount) and I've NEVER had a goat refuse that stuff. They don't want it.
I gave up and dumped a scoop of our 'regular mix' - 40% goat chow, 40% noble goat, 10% alf. pellets, 10% corn) in their trough (to see if they'd eat that) and they picked all the corn out, leaving 90% of the 'pellets'.
Is it better to give them what they want (corn) in moderation, of course.... or keep forcing them to pick at the 'good stuff' and not eat much.
I guess I know the answer (something's better than nothing) but it's aggravating.
They are starting to get bellies, but NOT putting on weight over those bones. I'm topdressing their feed w/ probiotics, and Mandy's still pooping dog logs.
It's very frustrating b/c I want them to look GOOD. I still feel sad every time I pet Mandy / feel her bones. BUT - she (and Hannah) are back to their sweet loving selves.
IMO, corn is great for putting on weight because it's a high energy feed. If they're getting alfalfa hay (is that right?) they're likely getting the protein they need from that as well. As long as they're introduced to corn slowly (which I'm sure you're doing already), I think it's fine. I agree that it's better for them to eat corn and gain weight than to pick at the mix and not gain. Once they're at an ideal weight then you can make them "eat their veggies" so to speak.
I know it's good for weight. And they're getting good, leafy 2nd cutting alfalfa.
But...it makes me feel like I'm giving in and letting a 5 yr old (human) kid eat candy for dinner just b/c it's easier than arguing w/ them.
I feel like I'm being manipulated by a couple bratty children,