There's a new macrocyclic lactone (____ectin) dewormer!

[no nonsense]

Well CM, I could adress each of your points individually too, but I don't need to go much further than A and B. You're right on both counts, especially B.

As for Americans being backward morons, well, that's not what I intended. You took it the wrong way. In fact, my comment in that context was a compliment to the superioity of Australia, and also inferred America, compared to a lot of other backwards countries. BUT, now that you brought it up, take a look around, and you don't have to go too far if you know what I mean. You've been fighting the same battle. Likewise, the hypocritical small farmers comment was not directed at you. If I'd meant YOU, I would have written YOU. You know that it's true that many won't spend money on the vet, for whatever reasons. Again, look around, and don't go too far. Same goes for my antibiotic resistance comment, not directed at you personally, used as an example. It's not all about you.
Now I see that you don't even have wormer resistance! And I'm incoherent?! You are right on one other thing, you should have made things clearer from the outset. BTW, if you're going to import drugs under the radar, for perceived future threats, maybe think about just doing it quietly, not announcing it to the world. If you think that the sky is falling from the future threat of goat wormer resistance, wait until the FDA gets ahold of your little plan. Don't you think that your premature introduction of the wormer to this country will hasten the time needed before animals here also become resistant??

( Oh, I will have this dewormer. You just mark my words.. I fully intend to rustle up a jug somehow.

You're fixated on substance use. Why is that?

Lupinfarm, I was referring to some of your comments, but, again, if I had meant you I would have said so. Things you stated are often claimed by other people, who don't know what they're doing. A monopoly is an unfair advantage. Veterinarians being responsible for dispensing medications is for good reason, and antibiotic misuse and resulting resistance is the best example. You too should look around, and don't go too far, to see plenty of examples of people who don't know what they're doing, using drugs in ways which they are not intended. I do sympathize with your situation, but for every one of you, I bet that there are 20 who aren't as sensible.

 

[cmjust0]

As for Americans being backward morons, well, that's not what I intended. You took it the wrong way. In fact, my comment in that context was a compliment to the superioity of Australia, and also inferred America, compared to a lot of other backwards countries. BUT, now that you brought it up, take a look around, and you don't have to go too far if you know what I mean.

Um. Okay?

You've been fighting the same battle. Likewise, the hypocritical small farmers comment was not directed at you. If I'd meant YOU, I would have written YOU. You know that it's true that many won't spend money on the vet, for whatever reasons. Again, look around, and don't go too far. Same goes for my antibiotic resistance comment, not directed at you personally, used as an example. It's not all about you.

When you start a post by saying that you're disappointed in me and thought I "got it," then go on to write what amounted to a manifesto...who was I supposed to think it was directed toward?

Now I see that you don't even have wormer resistance! And I'm incoherent?! You are right on one other thing, you should have made things clearer from the outset.

I'll try to remember that.

BTW, if you're going to import drugs under the radar, for perceived future threats, maybe think about just doing it quietly, not announcing it to the world.

I'll try to remember that, too..but between you and me, I think I might already know how to get it.

If you think that the sky is falling from the future threat of goat wormer resistance, wait until the FDA gets ahold of your little plan. Don't you think that your premature introduction of the wormer to this country will hasten the time needed before animals here also become resistant??

Yeah, but if it's inevitable anyway....well, the early bird gets the worm I guess.

You're fixated on substance use. Why is that?

You're dead wrong about that, friend. I'm not fixated on substance use -- I'm fixated on having the best stuff possible in my medicine cabinet because I care about my animals. Maybe it's just me, but I've always found that it's much better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it -- especially when lives are on the line.

For instance...earlier this summer, I searched and searched and finally managed to wrangle up a partial bottle (87/100) of Levasole sheep boluses from an old-timey independent feed store. They tried to explain to me that I could buy them by the pill as needed, but I insisted on buying them all. I got the impression that they thought I was crazy, but I'd say that impression only lasted until they tried to order another bottle and found that anything containing levamisole hydrochloride is rare as hens' teeth these days.

Was that selfish of me? Devious? Maybe...but I also wouldn't blame someone else for buying them out from under me, just like had happened at Valley Vet, Jeffers, KV, etc. That's just the way it goes.

Now...like I said, that was months ago.. Care to take a guess at how many I have remaining?

Yep...87. Haven't used single bolus yet.

The expiration is a long ways off, so I'm keeping them just in case I happen run into some particularly nasty white-/clear-dewormer resistant parasites. The Levasole boluses are my "nuclear option," basically.

So, no...it's not at all about using as many chemicals as possible. It's about having them in my arsenal, should the need arise.

And it just so happens that, after reading about it, Caprimec is something I'd like to have in my arsenal. And, yeah, I plan to have it...somehow, some way.

 

[no nonsense]

OK, now we're making progress, but you're still off track on a few things. The substance abuse thing was directed at your comments toward me, more than once, regarding same, not your use of "chemicals" per se. You should know by now that I'm not one of the DE freaks. I'm big on using drugs, if needed, the right way. Oh, no, we're going back there again...
My manifesto? Is that as in Marx, or Kazinsky? Never mind, I don't want to know.
Levasole, wonderful! Good for you! Glad that it has a long expiration date. Hope that you didn't pay all that much, or if you did, you intend on using it before it's up. Otherwise, false economy. But, not my money, so why do I care anyway.
Yes, the early bird gets the worm. He's also the first to get worm resistance. Well, no, not the first, because he may better know how to use it properly, but he's getting a head start.
FWIW, the disappointed and got it coments were meant to be tongue in cheek, from one sensible animal owner to another. Take it that way or not, no matter to me, but it's nice to converse with others who are on your own level, agree or not, I think.

 

[cmjust0]

OK, now we're making progress, but you're still off track on a few things. The substance abuse thing was directed at your comments toward me, more than once, regarding same, not your use of "chemicals" per se. You should know by now that I'm not one of the DE freaks. I'm big on using drugs, if needed, the right way. Oh, no, we're going back there again...

Speaking of substance abuse, I think I'm also witnessing some sort of progression..



I literally have no idea what you're talking about..

My manifesto? Is that as in Marx, or Kazinsky?

Kinda.

Never mind, I don't want to know.

Oops.

Levasole, wonderful! Good for you! Glad that it has a long expiration date. Hope that you didn't pay all that much, or if you did, you intend on using it before it's up. Otherwise, false economy. But, not my money, so why do I care anyway.

I was wondering the same thing....why do you care?

For what it's worth, I paid what anyone else would have paid. And if I've still got a bunch left when the expiration is nearing, I've got plenty of goatkeeping friends who I'm sure would have no problem shelling out a few bucks for a few boluses, especially considering how hard they are to find these days.

Actually, considering I tracked down and bought the very last of a valuable, hard-to-find product, I actually wouldn't doubt what I could turn a profit if I really wanted!

Yes, the early bird gets the worm. He's also the first to get worm resistance. Well, no, not the first, because he may better know how to use it properly, but he's getting a head start.

Yeah...just like Apple got a big headstart on having the oldest, most out-of-date touch screen mobile in the iPhone by being the first to come out with it.

Clearly a bonehead move.

FWIW, the disappointed and got it coments were meant to be tongue in cheek, from one sensible animal owner to another. Take it that way or not, no matter to me, but it's nice to converse with others who are on your own level, agree or not, I think.

Though somewhat reluctantly, I agree.

 

[no nonsense]

Though somewhat reluctantly, I agree.

Well, Im starting to wonder. Not that you're reluctant, that I believe. It's the agreement part that I'm beginning to doubt.

Manifesto....another tongue in cheek reference to one of your quips toward me. Marx and Kazinsky each wrote one. Or don't you know who they are? Try to keep up, will ya?

 

[cmjust0]

Well, Im starting to wonder. Not that you're reluctant, that I believe. It's the agreement part that I'm beginning to doubt.

....um.....burn?

Manifesto....another tongue in cheek reference to one of your quips toward me. Marx and Kazinsky each wrote one. Or don't you know who they are? Try to keep up, will ya?

Who? Wait, are you telling me that I did NOT invent the word "manifesto?" Moreover, are you saying that not only did I NOT invent the word "manifesto," but that two strange and unknown people have already written manifestos?!?

I'm sorry, you'll have to give me a moment...my worldview just shattered and I'm off to get a dustbroom.



(...am I the only one seeing this?... )

 

[freemotion]

Hey, you two ever hear of e-mail or PM? Sheesh. So predictable.

 

[cmjust0]

 

[FarmerChick]

 

[mully]

This thread is just an ugly battle ... nobody wins !!