Two goats with diarrhea and some bloody mucus in stool.

[Pumpkinpup]

Add Red Cell to your lineup if you have it. I dose at 6 ml per 20-30# Barberpoles are bloodsuckers.

Great suggestion! Thank you, I will do that.

 

[elevan]

Forgot to list the full treatment for Red Cell when dealing with Barber pole: 6 ml / 20-30# every 6-8 hours for 24 hours, then once per week until better.

 

[Pumpkinpup]

Forgot to list the full treatment for Red Cell when dealing with Barber pole: 6 ml / 20-30# every 6-8 hours for 24 hours, then once per week until better.

Thank you for the clarification. I will adjust the dose schedule accordingly. Thank you all so very much for all the great advice and support! I feel lucky to be a part of such a great group of folks!

Edited to add that both patients are doing better tonight!

 

[elevan]

I'm glad that they're feeling better

 

[cmjust0]

Forgot to list the full treatment for Red Cell when dealing with Barber pole: 6 ml / 20-30# every 6-8 hours for 24 hours, then once per week until better.

What's that dosing schedule based on? Vet, personal experience, clinical research, ...? Not saying it's wrong or bad, just have never seen anything call for what could potentially amount to almost 200ml of red-cell in a single day.. Afterall, giving 6ml of red-cell per 20lbs to a 160lb goat, every 6 hours for 24 hours, equals 192ml.. I don't think I've ever given a single goat more than about 15ml per day for a week straight -- still only about 100ml total -- and it's helped tremendously, even at that level.. The stuff's made for race horses and only recommended at like 1-2oz/day, which is 30-60ml....and that's for a horse. Wouldn't there be some concern of iron poisoning with an overdose of red-cell??

Moreover, what exactly does "when dealing with Barber pole" mean? Most of us are "dealing" with barberpole from May-September in every single goat, on some level or another.. Are you talking about the presence of barberpole eggs -- because that's literally any goat on pasture in the summer -- or are you talking about bottlejaw, or..?

Not trying to step on toes, per se...I'm just curious.

 

[20kidsonhill]

30cc of red cell delevers a goat's daily requirement for Selenium, personally I wouldn't go over that for any goat on a daily bases and not more than a week or two. Once they are back on feed and minerals and getting their selenium from their diet, I wouldn't give more that 15cc per an adult goat.

 

[Pumpkinpup]

They were so much better that I opted not to dose with red cell at all and instead just gave them a fortified B complex shot for a boost

They seem back to normal today.

 

[elevan]

Forgot to list the full treatment for Red Cell when dealing with Barber pole: 6 ml / 20-30# every 6-8 hours for 24 hours, then once per week until better.

What's that dosing schedule based on? Vet, personal experience, clinical research, ...? Not saying it's wrong or bad, just have never seen anything call for what could potentially amount to almost 200ml of red-cell in a single day.. Afterall, giving 6ml of red-cell per 20lbs to a 160lb goat, every 6 hours for 24 hours, equals 192ml.. I don't think I've ever given a single goat more than about 15ml per day for a week straight -- still only about 100ml total -- and it's helped tremendously, even at that level.. The stuff's made for race horses and only recommended at like 1-2oz/day, which is 30-60ml....and that's for a horse. Wouldn't there be some concern of iron poisoning with an overdose of red-cell??

Moreover, what exactly does "when dealing with Barber pole" mean? Most of us are "dealing" with barberpole from May-September in every single goat, on some level or another.. Are you talking about the presence of barberpole eggs -- because that's literally any goat on pasture in the summer -- or are you talking about bottlejaw, or..?

Not trying to step on toes, per se...I'm just curious.

Based on my experience and with support of my vet. And I will note that I have dwarf breed goats - a person who has standard size goats may want to adjust their dosage. My "typical dose" is 6 ml/ 30# every 8 hours.

What I meant by "when dealing with Barber pole" is simply that when you are dealing with problems associated with barberpoles. If the goat has barberpole (confirmed by a fecal) and is doing poorly this is my approach. Also if the goat is 3, 4 or 5 FAMACHA then this is my approach. I've never had one get to bottlejaw, but that would be my approach there as well.


Your mileage may vary.

 

[cmjust0]

How many times have you used that dosage?

 

[elevan]

How many times have you used that dosage?

A half dozen times this year alone. All of my goats are alive and doing great right now.

My herd size is 11 goats...so half my herd were treated back in August in this fashion. I had 2 that needed it in May. This is the second year that I've used this treatment.