redtailgal
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This may be a short novel, but you need to know the whole story to give you opinion, so please bear with me.
About a year ago, I was looking for a horse to lease since I cant have one of my own, and I found one. It turned out that the lady that owns him also breeds boer goats. I was in the market for goats, and ended up buying a wether and two does from her.
The horse: I was to work and train some of her other rescue horses (more of a hoarding situation than a rescue, but they are well cared for). I went out pretty often and worked with some of the more trouble horses. However, the horse I was leasing went lame every time he was ridden, even just an easy walk. I would wait until he was no longer lame and try a real easy ride and he would be lame again. I had a vet out to see him, and he was declared unsound for riding. I asked if there was a different horse I could lease in exchange for the training work and was told that there was not another horse that they were willing to lease. So, seeing as how I didnt have a horse, I stopped the training. If it were a true rescue, I would consider volunteer time, but she intends to keep all these for her personal horses.
I bought a wether, and we slaughtered him. I bought two does from her and arranged to have them bred back to her buck (their sire) and raise the kids for meat, then bred to an unrelated buck their second time to have a couple does to keep. She was helping me search for a second year buck for them. I bought them straight out, paid cash, no contract and they are registered to my name.
Now, that's the history.
She called me last week to let me know that she had two yearling does that she wanted to sell. I asked her if she would bred them before I picked them up and she said yes. I told her that I would have to discuss it with hubby, since I would be away so much this summer. She said that was fine and asked me to come out Friday to help clip and wash goats for a show on Saturday, and if I would be available to help her at the show, I told her that I would do my best to be there, but with my back messing up, I couldnt make any promises. I've helped her clip, wash, trim hooves, vaccinate......I've helped her alot with her goats, free of charge, and gained a lot of knowledge from her in the process.
Yesterday, I found a buck that I liked, owned by a gentleman who was VERY nice. His goats are well cared for, clean and friendly. He told me that he shows them, and I really didnt think much of it. I want a meat herd, not a show herd. He is willing to breed his buck to my does for one of the surviving weanlings, preferably a doe. I'm cool with that. I did not mention the name of my original breeder to him.
I sent an email to my breeder, with a pic of the buck, to get her opinion of the buck and what he would throw when bred to my girls and the other two does I have yet to buy from her.
I just got a pretty scathing email from her stating that I am NOT to bred my does to this buck. But, it's not about the buck, it's the man. He has beaten her in every show because "he spends big bucks on his goats to make them better than everyone else's". Apparently, he has a "special mix" that he uses for feed and wont share the recipe. (???seriously???) He approached my breeder with the idea of breeding the mother of my two doelings to his buck, and them splitting the kids, because the combination would make some "awesome" show goats, and my breeder tried to get him to sign into a contract that would not allow him to ever breed the kids from that breeding. He refused the contract and the goats were not bred. My breeder tells me in the email that she does NOT want him having any of her line, because he will use the "special formula" and beat her with her own line.
She went on to remind me that she hadnt said anything about my breach of contract by not training her horses anymore and that if I continued to have contact with this man, she would not be selling me the other two does. She reminded me that she had been giving me hands on training on handling goats FREE OF CHARGE and that I owe her this. (Free of charge. I worked my butt off with her horses and goats for several months). She also said that if I could find out what the recipe was, it would be nice and "soften the blow" to her a little. As if I am gonna become some sort of goat spy.
This whole thing is just a personal conflict between the two of them.......show politics basically. I'm not the least bit interested in showing, I chose this buck because I felt that he would add some bone to my herd, and apparently I was right, lol. But, I want nothing to do with show politics. I just want a meat herd.
I bought my two girls free and clear, no contract no stipulations.....nothing. Legally, I have the right to bred them to whomever I choose, and I want to choose what is best for my herd, not someone else's ego. BUT, I bred Dobermans for police work.......I have a solid understanding of wanting to control one's "line". I just dont think this is really about wanting to control the line, instead, it's about her not wanting HIM to have anything from her line.
To breed my girls to this buck would end the relationship that I have had with my original breeder, and I would hate that, but I'm not one to take manipulation very well. The nasty tone in her email really bothers me. I wont say that she and I are truly friends, but honestly, I was disappointed that she would be so nasty and make such threats as the whole "breach of contract" thing.
I'm pretty new to the goat world and want to make sure that I am right before I take a stand on something. Is she being unreasonable or is there something that I am missing? Am I just being drug into the middle of some nasty goat show political rivalry? What would you do?
My gut is telling me to tell her to "kiss it".
Please dont ask for names, I wont be giving them. I refuse to add any more fuel to this fire, lol.
About a year ago, I was looking for a horse to lease since I cant have one of my own, and I found one. It turned out that the lady that owns him also breeds boer goats. I was in the market for goats, and ended up buying a wether and two does from her.
The horse: I was to work and train some of her other rescue horses (more of a hoarding situation than a rescue, but they are well cared for). I went out pretty often and worked with some of the more trouble horses. However, the horse I was leasing went lame every time he was ridden, even just an easy walk. I would wait until he was no longer lame and try a real easy ride and he would be lame again. I had a vet out to see him, and he was declared unsound for riding. I asked if there was a different horse I could lease in exchange for the training work and was told that there was not another horse that they were willing to lease. So, seeing as how I didnt have a horse, I stopped the training. If it were a true rescue, I would consider volunteer time, but she intends to keep all these for her personal horses.
I bought a wether, and we slaughtered him. I bought two does from her and arranged to have them bred back to her buck (their sire) and raise the kids for meat, then bred to an unrelated buck their second time to have a couple does to keep. She was helping me search for a second year buck for them. I bought them straight out, paid cash, no contract and they are registered to my name.
Now, that's the history.
She called me last week to let me know that she had two yearling does that she wanted to sell. I asked her if she would bred them before I picked them up and she said yes. I told her that I would have to discuss it with hubby, since I would be away so much this summer. She said that was fine and asked me to come out Friday to help clip and wash goats for a show on Saturday, and if I would be available to help her at the show, I told her that I would do my best to be there, but with my back messing up, I couldnt make any promises. I've helped her clip, wash, trim hooves, vaccinate......I've helped her alot with her goats, free of charge, and gained a lot of knowledge from her in the process.
Yesterday, I found a buck that I liked, owned by a gentleman who was VERY nice. His goats are well cared for, clean and friendly. He told me that he shows them, and I really didnt think much of it. I want a meat herd, not a show herd. He is willing to breed his buck to my does for one of the surviving weanlings, preferably a doe. I'm cool with that. I did not mention the name of my original breeder to him.
I sent an email to my breeder, with a pic of the buck, to get her opinion of the buck and what he would throw when bred to my girls and the other two does I have yet to buy from her.
I just got a pretty scathing email from her stating that I am NOT to bred my does to this buck. But, it's not about the buck, it's the man. He has beaten her in every show because "he spends big bucks on his goats to make them better than everyone else's". Apparently, he has a "special mix" that he uses for feed and wont share the recipe. (???seriously???) He approached my breeder with the idea of breeding the mother of my two doelings to his buck, and them splitting the kids, because the combination would make some "awesome" show goats, and my breeder tried to get him to sign into a contract that would not allow him to ever breed the kids from that breeding. He refused the contract and the goats were not bred. My breeder tells me in the email that she does NOT want him having any of her line, because he will use the "special formula" and beat her with her own line.
She went on to remind me that she hadnt said anything about my breach of contract by not training her horses anymore and that if I continued to have contact with this man, she would not be selling me the other two does. She reminded me that she had been giving me hands on training on handling goats FREE OF CHARGE and that I owe her this. (Free of charge. I worked my butt off with her horses and goats for several months). She also said that if I could find out what the recipe was, it would be nice and "soften the blow" to her a little. As if I am gonna become some sort of goat spy.
This whole thing is just a personal conflict between the two of them.......show politics basically. I'm not the least bit interested in showing, I chose this buck because I felt that he would add some bone to my herd, and apparently I was right, lol. But, I want nothing to do with show politics. I just want a meat herd.
I bought my two girls free and clear, no contract no stipulations.....nothing. Legally, I have the right to bred them to whomever I choose, and I want to choose what is best for my herd, not someone else's ego. BUT, I bred Dobermans for police work.......I have a solid understanding of wanting to control one's "line". I just dont think this is really about wanting to control the line, instead, it's about her not wanting HIM to have anything from her line.
To breed my girls to this buck would end the relationship that I have had with my original breeder, and I would hate that, but I'm not one to take manipulation very well. The nasty tone in her email really bothers me. I wont say that she and I are truly friends, but honestly, I was disappointed that she would be so nasty and make such threats as the whole "breach of contract" thing.
I'm pretty new to the goat world and want to make sure that I am right before I take a stand on something. Is she being unreasonable or is there something that I am missing? Am I just being drug into the middle of some nasty goat show political rivalry? What would you do?
My gut is telling me to tell her to "kiss it".
Please dont ask for names, I wont be giving them. I refuse to add any more fuel to this fire, lol.
It is your life and they are your goats and you can choose what you do with them. On the other hand it might be best to not burn bridges with either of them. It's too bad you couldn't find another buck to breed with and not mess with being in the middle. But the stubborn side of me says to breed to the man's buck and raise your nice little meat herd without her.
