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Sorry about your LGD. It is hard to lose any animal that is a part of the farm and the family like she was.

Make sure the Lepto specifically says hardjo as one of the strains. As @greybeard said, it seems to be the strain that is most prevelant causing problems, but as he also said, there are other things that can cause it. I am not much on all these vaccines that are "big combinations" and I do not like MLV vaccines at all. I liken it to all the vaccines that they give little babies now...I think we actually put their own immune systems at risk because we pump so much into them so young and in such larger combinations. I know there are alot of people who will disagree with me. But triangle 10 is supposed to be a good vaccine according to what some say. I would maybe try adding just a lepto vaccine when you preg check or if you do the Triangle 10 then, at a point somewhere at a 6 month interval. One thing, is triangle 10 safe for pregnant cows? Maybe if you are giving it to them while open, then breeding them back it might be too soon for it to have gone past the "problem" time. Some will say how long before you can safely breed.

3 out of 15 is 20%; WAY TOO MANY. You might want to do blood work or ask the vet what they would suggest. We usually have 3 to 5 out of 100 that come up open; and that is including the old cows. Maybe 1 out of 30 or 40 in the young cows. Often that is because they have had a real nice calf and have milked heavy and are a bit on the thin side....so they get a 2nd try. But never again are they given a 2nd chance....
Have one heifer that was confirmed preg and was supposed to have calved this spring. She happened to be in a pasture that the bull was put back in to cover my AI bred heifers as a cleanup. She never calved so when we checked the AI group she was again confirmed preg at about the same amount of time as they were, so must have slipped the first preg. Well, they have all calved and she is not looking like she is going to calve. She will get rechecked in case she is close, but I think she slipped it again and will go. If she is close then okay but I don't hold out much hope. They all get Lepto when they are preg checked but it is a killed virus vaccine. Anyone we do give a second chance to also gets lepto, but the "culls" do not and get on the next truck out.
 

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Sorry about your LGD. It is hard to lose any animal that is a part of the farm and the family like she was.

Make sure the Lepto specifically says hardjo as one of the strains. As @greybeard said, it seems to be the strain that is most prevelant causing problems, but as he also said, there are other things that can cause it. I am not much on all these vaccines that are "big combinations" and I do not like MLV vaccines at all. I liken it to all the vaccines that they give little babies now...I think we actually put their own immune systems at risk because we pump so much into them so young and in such larger combinations. I know there are alot of people who will disagree with me. But triangle 10 is supposed to be a good vaccine according to what some say. I would maybe try adding just a lepto vaccine when you preg check or if you do the Triangle 10 then, at a point somewhere at a 6 month interval. One thing, is triangle 10 safe for pregnant cows? Maybe if you are giving it to them while open, then breeding them back it might be too soon for it to have gone past the "problem" time. Some will say how long before you can safely breed.

3 out of 15 is 20%; WAY TOO MANY. You might want to do blood work or ask the vet what they would suggest. We usually have 3 to 5 out of 100 that come up open; and that is including the old cows. Maybe 1 out of 30 or 40 in the young cows. Often that is because they have had a real nice calf and have milked heavy and are a bit on the thin side....so they get a 2nd try. But never again are they given a 2nd chance....
Have one heifer that was confirmed preg and was supposed to have calved this spring. She happened to be in a pasture that the bull was put back in to cover my AI bred heifers as a cleanup. She never calved so when we checked the AI group she was again confirmed preg at about the same amount of time as they were, so must have slipped the first preg. Well, they have all calved and she is not looking like she is going to calve. She will get rechecked in case she is close, but I think she slipped it again and will go. If she is close then okay but I don't hold out much hope. They all get Lepto when they are preg checked but it is a killed virus vaccine. Anyone we do give a second chance to also gets lepto, but the "culls" do not and get on the next truck out.

Not at home at the moment, I’ll look at our actual vaccine when I am home. Definitely going to have a conversation with our vet.

As far as vaccines go, I think there is such a thing as overkill too. My kids were vaccinated on a delayed schedule that was agreed upon by me and their pediatrician. I’m reluctant to overdo any of our animals too. I do feel like vaccines have their place if used properly.
 

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So sorry to hear about Queenie. :hugsWhat a a sweetie pie!:love I know its hard losing a pet you love so much and so young. :hit
I also read about certain posters being mean to you and am glad to see that you put them on ignore.:clap I wouldnt let anyone chase me off from something I love and from people who love me.
I was afraid Id have to kick someones patootie for picking on my @WernerHomestead! :smack
You have been thru and are dealing with alot lately. Dont let some bleephead ruin it for you. Just call me, I will sic my attack chickens on them.
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I was afraid Id have to kick someones patootie for picking on my @WernerHomestead! :smack
You have been thru and are dealing with alot lately. Dont let some bleephead ruin it for you. Just call me, I will sic my attack chickens on them.
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I told her the same thing. We definitely take care of our own here. ;)
 

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I am so very saddened by the loss of Queenie. :hit

She was such a lovely animal, looked the way I'd like to have for my own dog like her. Coloring, size, temperament you described. The love in her eyes told it all. I can feel your pain, as if she were mine.

We go on. Never do they leave our hearts. It's ok to shed a tear as you remember her when you walk the farm and see her still there with you. :hugs
 

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Thank you again all! The farm has a void right now. I don’t want to be in a rush to get another guardian but I don’t want to put it off too long either. Praying about it! Your support in my being here and providing comfort and reassurance through the loss means the world. Southern and her family have been amazing! I called her crying as soon as I got off the phone with DH. Her daughter met her and likened her to Callie and I knew that she would “get it.” No one else in our family has or understands our LGDs. Our BYH family does. Love and hugs to all!
 

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I finally snapped some pics of the doelings while they were eating to show y’all their escutcheons. Neither of my bucks have had a daughter freshen so time will tell. (Knight has two daughters on the farm that I got him from that will freshen in the spring.)

I’m supposed to be asleep but I went to sleep at about 6 while fighting a headache and now I’m awake and found a snack as I was hungry.

So back to escutcheons...

I think King is making some positive improvements to Nell’s girls and I can’t wait to see what they do when they freshen.

Nellie 2F, freshened 4/7 with trips:
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Elly:
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Beauty:
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Perdy:
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I did go ahead and grab a pic of the other two doelings born here.

Jasmine: (Not as impressed. I’ll use King or Theo over her to see if we can improve in her daughters.)
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Ariel: (really like)
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Lovely Goat Parts.

I've just (as always, late) read about the loss of your dog. I'm SO sorry....dogs are such wonderful companions. A blessing that she died outright, though. My much-loved Border Collie was (almost certainly) hit by a delivery driver a few years back as he has that awful tendency to try to herd vehicles. His back and back legs were injured. He survived and recovered, but has been left with severe arthritis which has, no doubt, altered the way he has to spend his 'Senior Years'. He has to take medication all the time. I don't really know what I'd call my lovely Jared, though.......doesn't work the sheep, never has been able to jump a gate, won't go into water that is over an inch deep, but would take on an elephant to defend me.....maybe he IS an LGD!

My advice (for what it's worth!) is to get another dog pretty soon......not to replace, that will never happen, but to get some of the love that you have in abundance for dogs and to channel the grief.
 

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