What should I use for deworming based on these fecals?

[Roll farms]

I'm not sure a FEC of 30 would make me deworm at all, *unless*, like I said earlier, there were scours or anemia present.

A goat can have an FEC of 2 and 3 wks later have one of 2000 w/ Barberpole. FEC of 30 *might* just mean that goat is doing a good job of fighting it off / keeping the HC in check on her own.

So again I stress, if the FEC was done as a routine check, not b/c the goats are symptomatic, I probably would start w/ Ivomec if I felt I needed to deworm.
If one of mine had an HC FEC of 30, I would keep a close eye on the animal, maybe do another FEC in 2-3 weeks, but probably not deworm at all yet.

 

[TGreenhut]

I'm not sure a FEC of 30 would make me deworm at all, *unless*, like I said earlier, there were scours or anemia present.

A goat can have an FEC of 2 and 3 wks later have one of 2000 w/ Barberpole. FEC of 30 *might* just mean that goat is doing a good job of fighting it off / keeping the HC in check on her own.

So again I stress, if the FEC was done as a routine check, not b/c the goats are symptomatic, I probably would start w/ Ivomec if I felt I needed to deworm.
If one of mine had an HC FEC of 30, I would keep a close eye on the animal, maybe do another FEC in 2-3 weeks, but probably not deworm at all yet.

It was just a routine test but my vet said I should deworm every goat that had any worms. All my goats seem very healthy though, so I'm kind of confused at how I should approach this. My vet wanted me to try a dewormer now and retest in 2-3 weeks. You think I should wait, others who replied made it sound like I have a lot of worms to deal with. 20kidsonhill said "With that high of a load of Barber pole worms", making it sound like it's enough worms to treat for....

And I'm kind of confused with all these dewormers (sorry, like I said, I'm not very experienced with dewormers yet). I don't know if Ivermectin (Ivomec) still works here, so I guess I'd want to try that before Cydectin to find out. But right now I have some horse dewormers on hand and it would be convenient if I could use one of those. Can I use a horse dewormer paste on a goat? I currently have on hand: Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87%, Anthelcide EQ (oxibendazole), Safeguard Equine Paste, and Durvet Equine Pyrantel Paste (pyrantel pamoate). It sounds like Ivermectin works for the worms my goats have so could I use the Ivermectin Paste 1.87%? Or is that not acceptable for goats.

Thanks.

 

[Roll farms]

I said I wouldn't deworm based on an FEC of 30....but totally understand if you feel you should. Please do repost your follow up FEC's?


I don't use horse paste so while 1.87% horse paste is ivermectin and should work in theory....dosing it is beyond my realm of expertise.

Here's a couple good articles about FEC counts....

http://www.scsrpc.org/SCSRPC/Publications/part6.htm


http://www.microscope-microscope.org/applications/animals/fecal_analysis.htm

 

[20kidsonhill]

I'm not sure a FEC of 30 would make me deworm at all, *unless*, like I said earlier, there were scours or anemia present.

A goat can have an FEC of 2 and 3 wks later have one of 2000 w/ Barberpole. FEC of 30 *might* just mean that goat is doing a good job of fighting it off / keeping the HC in check on her own.

So again I stress, if the FEC was done as a routine check, not b/c the goats are symptomatic, I probably would start w/ Ivomec if I felt I needed to deworm.
If one of mine had an HC FEC of 30, I would keep a close eye on the animal, maybe do another FEC in 2-3 weeks, but probably not deworm at all yet.

It was just a routine test but my vet said I should deworm every goat that had any worms. All my goats seem very healthy though, so I'm kind of confused at how I should approach this. My vet wanted me to try a dewormer now and retest in 2-3 weeks. You think I should wait, others who replied made it sound like I have a lot of worms to deal with. 20kidsonhill said "With that high of a load of Barber pole worms", making it sound like it's enough worms to treat for....

And I'm kind of confused with all these dewormers (sorry, like I said, I'm not very experienced with dewormers yet). I don't know if Ivermectin (Ivomec) still works here, so I guess I'd want to try that before Cydectin to find out. But right now I have some horse dewormers on hand and it would be convenient if I could use one of those. Can I use a horse dewormer paste on a goat? I currently have on hand: Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87%, Anthelcide EQ (oxibendazole), Safeguard Equine Paste, and Durvet Equine Pyrantel Paste (pyrantel pamoate). It sounds like Ivermectin works for the worms my goats have so could I use the Ivermectin Paste 1.87%? Or is that not acceptable for goats.

Thanks.

I would listen to Roll over my opinion on Fecals, We really don't do that many fecals, WE worm based on overall health of the goat, For me personally I wouldn't care if the worm load was 10,000, if the goat looked good and was growing well, I would leave it be and not worm it. My point really was to just worm the wormiest couple goats, and not worm all of them. And if you do worm with a weaker wormer such as Ivermectin retesting would be a good idea.

Yes, you can use the horse paste, I would use the Ivermectin Paste at 3 x the dosage recommended for a horse. So a 100 lb goat would get a 300 lbs dosage. You can also use the safequard wormer(sometimes labeled as Panacur), but that you would need to do 3 days in a row for best results. And again, it is another wormer that has built up a lot of resistance.

 

[TGreenhut]

Thanks for the replies! I have another question now... (sorry it's lengthy)

All of my goats except Razz (since they are eight months and younger) have never been dewormed with a chemical dewormer in their life. About eight weeks ago I started Razz, Smokey, and Sassy on Molly's herbal dewormer. I started Waikiki and Sasha on Molly's dewormer about six weeks ago because that is when I bought them. Molly's dewormer says to use the wormwood for 3 days consecutively every six to eight weeks and once a week use her herbal tonic dewormer which is safer. Well I read about a lot of you on here finding Molly's dewormer unsuccessful. I just now had a chance to get fecals to see if it was working for me. The problem, though, is that I just realized Razz, Smokey and Sassy were due to be dewormed with the wormwood (after eight weeks) when I got the fecals done. They had the highest worm count. Sasha and Kiki, on the other hand, had been on Molly's dewormer for six weeks and were due for the wormwood at six week OR eight weeks and they had barely any worms at all! Can I infer from this that Molly's herbal dewormer is working for me? Should I continue to treat with Molly's dewormer and use the wormwood right now (since they are due for it) and get follow up fecals in 2-3 weeks?

 

[Roll farms]

I don't want to not answer and have you think I'm ignoring your last question.... but my answer is, I dunno.

I don't use herbals. (An herbal dewormer is just a 'natural' dewormer - meaning not man made - but they're all 'poisonous' if not used correctly....)

Only way you're gonna KNOW if any method - regardless of what it is - is working is over time / repeated fecals / proven good (or bad) results.

So I can't say whether your dewormers are working or if those goats are just more resilient / resistant....or maybe haven't been exposed. Nobody can. Only time and retesting will give you those answers. If you infer that it's working when it isn't....you could end up w/ sick goats. Keep doing FEC's and monitoring their overall condition. If you have good results w/ it, great. Just don't 'infer' anything yet. Retest. Keep records. Find a pattern, if there is one.

Like 20K said, I deworm based on appearance, eyelid color, overal health, and we do occasional fecals to make sure things are going well. I have goats who've never been given chemical dewormer either. Or herbal. I like to keep it that way as much as possible.

Good luck !