why not sedate prior to killing a pig?

[heckerdy]

I have a very strong science background and cannot find a single reason I can not give my pig a couple of xanax and a beer before the deed is done?

can you ? I would like to dialog about this?

the meat could not possibly be affected …there is no way you would get the affects of two xanax and a beer from meat ..even if I did why would I care LOLOL kidding but if you think about how pills and alcohol are processed it can not matter to me

anyway if you have a solid reason I can not do this please tell me? I have xanax for my dog and my pig adores beer I gave my last dog a Xanax and beer before her last sad trip to the vet (she had a horrible throat cancer tumor choking her it was terrible but she LOVED beer and hated the drive to the vet so it helped her be calm and peaceful she was so sick then and I miss her so much even talking about this ..oy)

anyway I would love to say good bye to my pig Bacon with a couple of xanax and a beer ..maybe for me too at that point (kidding mixing the two is what causes humans to go down a very bad road ..addiction death ….the bad stuff for sure …so NEVER do that please )

I really like this pig that roamed into my yard and when we do say "good bye" I want him to be unaware of the impending doom …


opinions advice ? we did find a lovely guy to come and do it he is very "humane"

I am going to ask him as well but wanted to run it by you guys and maybe see if anyone else has done this and if not ..besides access to the drugs (they are as I said prescribed for my dog so it is kind of "legal drug diversion" Xanax as we know is addictive and controled …and I will ask the vet if she minds we are tight and she will understand why I am asking for sure! )

thanks so much look forward to opinions even if not with experience

 

[frustratedearthmother]

Not sure it would be so bad, but also not sure I understand why you would need it. If a processor is coming to your house to do it very humanely - there should be no stress. When we did our pigs we set down a pan of food...when they dropped their head to eat 'bang' it was over and the pig was dead before he took his next bite. No stress, no fuss. He never knew what hit him and he died with his snout buried in feed. What a way to go for a pig, lol!

Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[Bossroo]

Since you were a nurse, I will give you some other infromation that others may not be aware of. I see NO reason for any Xanax or any other pill. A 6 pack of beer should make for a relaxed pig and just may make you feel better, but a well placed .22 into the brain and the pig is dead immediately. At UCD Vet. Path. I have put down many a pig ( and many other animals ) with a captive bolt pistol using a .22 blank to activate it , just put the gun barrel onto the animals forehead, pull the trigger and it is done. Using electrodes requires one to place one wire clamp onto the lip and the other electrode onto the anal skin,( think along the lines of a battery clamp but much smaller. some animals object somewhat to the placeings ) but with the press of a button for a few seconds and it is done.

 

[Latestarter]

Have to agree with the others... Perhaps you're over thinking this? It really sounds to me like the xanax and beer is more for you than the pig (or should be? )... He won't feel a thing when the deed is done (provided it's done correctly), and shouldn't be under any stress at all... I mean why would he be stressed? You're having the processor come to you and Bacon.... Not like he'll be taken from his happy place and trucked off to an abattoir or something where he'd smell the blood and death of those who went before him. More likely YOUR stress will stress him out that something is wrong...

So... Dr. Latestarter recommends that YOU have a few (at least 3) large glasses of your preferred wine during the hour leading up to Bacon fulfilling his purpose, to toast his happy life! Thank him for the gift(s) he is about to give your family. Then celebrate his existence over a nice pork roast the next week

 

[heckerdy]

well yes I am an ER/UC RN but honestly ? I am only tough with people!!! lol! I can tell a person what I have to do and then give them IV sedation prior! LOL ..always helped to repair and restore people after they were broken or resuscitated after they were dead and I have done and seen "THINGS" ..but that description was hard for me …and bit distraught about all of this but understand what I read so thank you so much
my husband always killed and I butchered afterwards when it looked like a carcass even when he want hunting I walked the other way …I get it ..accept it but still it makes me feel badly

wow he had to choose my yard you are right Latestarter the beer and drugs should be for me ! holy crap!


I am 100% omnivorous …but ro not eat meat unless it is from a butcher I have known for years and animals I know were raised locally by people I know.. …even in restaurants unless they buy from local folks I choose vegetarian or wild caught fish in restaurants

so this is fine I will eat Bacon for sure he is for the table ..but the reality is very stressful for me ..especially today when he is so funny

 

[Southern by choice]

sounds to me like the xanax and beer is more for you than the pig (or should be? ).

I was thinking the same thing.

Sorry @heckerdy not making fun at all... it can be hard to deal with but truly a bullet to the head is faster than any other way.
I think it is like 4 milliseconds or something like that.
It is humane. Still, I understand the emotional factor.

 

[heckerdy]

it is just fine to make fun of me Southern By Choice!

it is illegal for me to dip into my dog's xanax so honestly I would never do that ..but as a nurse I have to tell you ..you have know idea the freaking EXCUSES I used to hear for why folks needed urgent control substances ..I literally could write a book about it …they were always on Friday at 430 in a panic and they were EXTREME and some of them very creative ..and really no one I worked with ever made it hard for people who needed pills to get them it was just the folks who did not take their meds as directed or sold them or whatever it was a very real issue …


not one time have I heard " may I please have some Xanax we are having our pig killed this week and I just can not handle it "

LOL I will let you know how that turns out

thanks you guys you are right ..I will not let anyone "harvest" or "kill" Bacon that can not do it humanly of course and I am not doing it ..we do not "hire out" much but this is a good local family and they are a cottage industry . he has a lovely webpage as well so he is trying to promote himself to foodies in the Seattle area for sure with the "charcuterie classes" and he uses all the Key words foodies who do nose to tail eating like to hear ..and I guess you could call me a "foodie" because I sure can not do with out good food

I really want to make a prosciutto out of one entire leg .. so when I get all wrapped up on how we are going to put him to death ..I just start looking up recipes ..I have made all our bacon for the past 20 years and can not imagine buying any now I found a recipe in Mother Earth News and went with it and still love the recipe more than any others I have tried …several years ago I bought the book Charcuterie: The Craft of Salting, Smoking, and Curing Michael RuhlmanI …such a good book! and found he had used the same maple bacon recipe almost verbatim I found in a Mother Earth mag years and years (way to long ago to admit) …. I learned so much and every recipe I have tried came out ..a little off topic but …OMG Duck procuitto recipe is to die for! (what the heck if you have ducks and want to try duck prosciutto here you go the recipe http://ruhlman.com/2009/03/duck-prosciutto/ (you can find most of his recipes online somewhere for free)
that is why I have muscovy ducks now to keep a constant supply on hand
thanks again you guys I am a dork round of hugs to all

 

[Latestarter]

OMG... you're NOT a dork! You're just "overly sentimental" and maybe a bit overly focused at times... It's the nursing background I'm sure ! You'll be fine just as soon as you're munching on some of your own home-grown prosciutto! BTW, glad I'm not the only person sitting at the computer at this INSANE time of a Sunday morning when I should be sleeping dreaming of bacon, eggs and toast!

Edit: BTW, I'd really like to see one of those recent pics you've promised <hint, hint> Would really like to see just how big he's gotten. I mean when he showed up you thought he was 3 months, and now he is

 

[heckerdy]

LOL Latestarter! thanks but really it is true I am a dork in life . re the early wake ups ..glad I am not alone LOL!!! everyone calls me on the 3am wake ups but to me it is the sweetest time of day …the world seems so peaceful and nothing HAS to be done at 3 am ..whoops it is 430 now how did that happen?

our daylight times are super short now and getting shorter and shorter ..

 

[Latestarter]

I'm a "night person" by birth, but prefer the OTHER side of the night... I'd much rather be sleeping when the sun comes up and wake to a nice warm morning (9am+ was always preferred) where I can sit in the sun outside and soak up some vitamin D the natural way while sipping on some vitamin C the color of sunshine. Nice thing about here on the front range is it can be 20 degrees outside and if the sun is shining and there's no wind, you can sun bathe and get a sunburn, and not be cold at all.

You know, just let hubby cook up some of his Grandmom's pork recipes, and think "butcher bought... butcher bought" while you chow down

Don't know if this would work, but I've heard tell of folks who have "swapped" animals with another so they wouldn't be eating their pet (the OTHER person would be) and you'd therefore have no "emotional connection" with dinner. Don't know if that's an option... Guess you could ask the processor or guy doing the "harvesting". Maybe he knows someone who'd trade?